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Fallout 3 or New Vegas?

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  • Fair enough, although your reasoning for saying Fallout 3 was more free and open didn't seem to match up.  It helps to have played the first two for New Vegas, but I couldn't find myself in a world where my actions had no real effect (which was 3).  I don't see what's more compelling about finding your father than seeking revenge, and certainly rehashing the first two Fallout games (or as you call it, purifying the wastes, for all that amounted to) than the political struggles of New Vegas

  • Dr MoO III:

    So warlord can you pick a favorite?

    Hm...that's difficult.  I like Fallout 3's survival aspect just as much as New Vegas's freedom (which one is better depends on what I want when I play at that moment).  I consider New Vegas simply different from Fallout 3, only improved in gameplay and weapons really. 

    The fact that I played New Vegas more, discovered every location in the game, and generally enjoyed New Vegas more says, logically, that I liked New Vegas more.  But which one I'd rather play depends largely on whether I want survival or freedom of choice, which are the driving elements in Fallout 3 and New Vegas, respectively.

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  • MaulYoda:
    Fallout 3's story was trash as far as continuity, writing, and originality go and the fact that the games are different doesn't mean they can't be compared.  But other than that, I agree with your points

    Well, I loved Fallout 3's story, so there's no way we're agreeing there.  And yes, both the games can be compared, but the fact that they're so different makes it senseless to compare them very closely, in my opinion.  I'd much rather enjoy them for what they are instead of trying to judge them against each other.

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  • Does New Vegas really have more freedom of choice? Of course there is no denying it in the main story there is much more of a choice to make, but in the rest of the games, I would say there is an equal amount of decisions making. You may say that Fallout 3 is more black and white with its good versus evil, but, outside of the main story, that is the same choice you get in New Vegas, occasionally the faction versus faction, but there is not much of a difference in the two.

  • To me, there is more freedom because not every decision is exactly black or white.  Also, more is affected by your decisions than whether they are good or evil.  Because of that, I felt like I could make a decision for myself more than just making the good or evil decision because I was that particular type of character.  There was more to think about in every decision.

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  • Ok. Makes sense.

  • warlord5531:

    MaulYoda:
    Fallout 3's story was trash as far as continuity, writing, and originality go and the fact that the games are different doesn't mean they can't be compared.  But other than that, I agree with your points

    Well, I loved Fallout 3's story, so there's no way we're agreeing there.  And yes, both the games can be compared, but the fact that they're so different makes it senseless to compare them very closely, in my opinion.  I'd much rather enjoy them for what they are instead of trying to judge them against each other.

    I really don't see how someone could like Fallout 3's story better, especially if the only reason you're giving is you had more incentive to pursue it (not that it's not a good reason, but I don't agree with the reasoning).  And the fact that I'm comparing them doesn't mean anyone isn't entitled to enjoy one or the other (or preferably both).  But if they're going to both call themselves Fallout (which frankly, I don't believe 3 has a right to), I'm going to compare them.  And the fact that we discuss this doesn't mean you have to change your opinions.  Even if you end up agreeing with me on certain things, you still have every right to like Fallout 3 better

  • Dr MoO III:

    Does New Vegas really have more freedom of choice? Of course there is no denying it in the main story there is much more of a choice to make, but in the rest of the games, I would say there is an equal amount of decisions making. You may say that Fallout 3 is more black and white with its good versus evil, but, outside of the main story, that is the same choice you get in New Vegas, occasionally the faction versus faction, but there is not much of a difference in the two.

    In the same vein as what Warlord was saying, picking between two factions of which you've decided who is "right" and "wrong" in a usually morally grey situation is far different (and better and more open in my opinion) than picking between two black and white sides in a broken karma system (especially when it has an effect in New Vegas and virtually none in Fallout 3).  There was a reason Fallout 2 put reputation ahead of karma

    In addition to this, there is much more you can do with your skills and SPECIAL stats in New Vegas that help make the choices more open

  • It's always been difficult for me to decide between them because I see them as two totally different gaming experiences within the same franchise.  If I were to compare them extensively, then I'd say that I liked Fallout 3's story more than New Vegas's (not that New Vegas's story was bad), but New Vegas's story was based more on your decisions.  I like a more set story, and Fallout 3 had that.

    I like New Vegas's gameplay much more than Fallout 3's, but that was because of a few tweaks that went a long way.  But other than that, there's not much more to compare that would be worth comparing to me.

    I guess if I had played Fallout and Fallout 2, then I would be looking more at how they compare with Fallout 3 and New Vegas.  But I didn't, so I'm looking at them as individual games more than the series as a whole.

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  • warlord5531:

    It's always been difficult for me to decide between them because I see them as two totally different gaming experiences within the same franchise.  If I were to compare them extensively, then I'd say that I liked Fallout 3's story more than New Vegas's (not that New Vegas's story was bad), but New Vegas's story was based more on your decisions.  I like a more set story, and Fallout 3 had that.

    I like New Vegas's gameplay much more than Fallout 3's, but that was because of a few tweaks that went a long way.  But other than that, there's not much more to compare that would be worth comparing to me.

    I guess if I had played Fallout and Fallout 2, then I would be looking more at how they compare with Fallout 3 and New Vegas.  But I didn't, so I'm looking at them as individual games more than the series as a whole.

    I mean, I don't see how that makes them incomparable, but alright.  And while I understand why you like Fallout 3's style of story more, I don't think that means it has a better story at all.  If you don't want to get into more specific things, that's fine, but that's the point of this thread.  No one is saying you can't like one game or the other, we're just comparing them

  • Well, to me, it's like comparing trucks and cars. I don't see the point in comparing them because they're two totally different types of vehicles.

    And Fallout 3's style was the main reason I liked it more although it was a generally more interesting, better-writen story to me.

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  • I don't see how a rehashed version of Fallout 1 and 2 with illogical, idiotic, and inconsistent charters and settings and with such bland writing was better than the more open, funnier, more complex storyline of New Vegas

  • Your opinion is just that, an opinion.  That, in no way, is a fact, because I have a different opinion.  And like I already said, I never played Fallout 1 and 2, so we're already looking at Fallout 3 and New Vegas very differently.  I look at them as individual games while you look at them and compare them to the other games in the series.

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  • Ok, so I am grasping that the general consensus is that New Vegas did not have more choices, just more impactful choices than Fallout 3, and as for perks and special, I would say I have to disagree, there are more perks given in 3 than NV, so there is not more you can do with them, but it is more impactful on overall character development. I also have come to the conclusion that playing the first two Fallout games gives you a greater appreciation for New Vegas. I felt like Fallout 3 was funnier, but there could have been a lot of "inside jokes" that only the people who had played 1 & 2 would understand. In this regard I believe that, story wise, Fallout 3 would make a better stand alone game.

  • Dr MoO III:

    Ok, so I am grasping that the general consensus is that New Vegas did not have more choices, just more impactful choices than Fallout 3, and as for perks and special, I would say I have to disagree, there are more perks given in 3 than NV, so there is not more you can do with them, but it is more impactful on overall character development. I also have come to the conclusion that playing the first two Fallout games gives you a greater appreciation for New Vegas. I felt like Fallout 3 was funnier, but there could have been a lot of "inside jokes" that only the people who had played 1 & 2 would understand. In this regard I believe that, story wise, Fallout 3 would make a better stand alone game.

    That's not at all the consensus, New Vegas had more choices and they were more impactful.  Also, New Vegas had more perks.  That's not an opinion, that's a fact, and you can compare the list from both games if you want to check it yourself.  There's also a lot more character development in New Vegas.  And playing the first two lets you get all of the references New Vegas makes, but it's no where near essential.  And the fact that you think Fallout 3 would make a better standalone game is kind of my point, because it isn't as good a Fallout game as New Vegas, and being a good Fallout game should be priority #1

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