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  • Look, I don't remember every quote in New Vegas and I'm sure you don't either, so it's possible they were referred to as raiders at some point.  There's no quote database for New Vegas though, so I can't find the exact instance (but the graphic novel I felt counted).  Still, you were arguing they weren't raiders and the fact is they are.  What did you think they were, by the way?

  • Just a faction in New Vegas, a particularly brutal one, that, like tons of other people, have a problem with the NCR.  I figured they were just their own individual group, like the Boomers, and not a big part of the game.  The main reason I personally didn't see them as Raiders was that their only real enemy is the NCR whereas normal Raiders (Jackals, Vipers, or just general Raiders from Fallout 3) have it out for anything that breathes.

    Thinking back, I probably guess there was some evidence that the Khans were Raiders when they were doing business with the Vipers, but other than drug-dealing, the Khans don't have connections with the other Raider groups.  

    Either way, I know now that they're part of a giant, very general group with almost no affiliation with the people that have the same label and almost no evidence, aside from selling drugs, that they're all the same.  And my comment on Obsidian's error in not telling the Khans' specific history also brings up an error on Bethesda's part.  "Raider" is such a general term in Fallout 3.  Then Obsidian decides to give Raiders names, making it obvious that the Jackals and Vipers are Raiders, but doesn't tell that the Khans are apparently Raiders, too.  I guess they just didn't pay attention to the details of the first games.

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  • Well the raiders were called names in Fallout 1 and 2 (mostly), so Obsidian was just going back to that.  And again, the Khans are raiders, but they have a different status than the Jackals or Vipers.  I concede it might be hard to tell going by just the things the Khans do in New Vegas (mainly that they don't attack you on sight), but still, they're raiders.  The Khans have it out for anyone who threatens them, by the way; other factions have just left them alone

    Also, the Khans in New Vegas are the remnants of the Khans from Fallout 1 and 2 (games in which the Khans were all but destroyed).  They're not just affiliated with the Khans in other games, they're all that's left of them (mostly at least).  And the Khans, Jackals, the Vipers, and the NCR for that matter all came from Vault 15, so they are loosely affiliated that way as well.  Futhermore, the fact that New Vegas has three raider groups instead of one does not mean that they can't all be raiders.  But whatever; the point is that the Khans are raiders in New Vegas, plain and simple

  • Yeah, I get it now.  It's just hard to tell on playing New Vegas alone.

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  • I would like to see Fallout 4 based in the main territories of the NCR and Caesars Legion because I think they should drag the story of their conflict on a little.

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