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  • Servant of God: Let me ask you this.  Since the inspired author of Genesis found it fitting to include the age of Adam, all his sons and at least one of the genealogies he wrote and those ages are given to us in years, does that mean that we have no clue how old any of them actually were?  If we can't be sure that God really meant six days as Scripture clearly states, how can we be sure that Adam was really 900+ years old?  How can we be sure the number of years leading up to Babel.  How can we be sure Jesus Christ began His ministry at around 30 years old?  You see where I'm going with this?  Doubting God's Word for what it is just unravels our faith and lets the world attack us freely.

  • V4lisinn:

    1)The Reformation had nothing to do with the "right" so called, to interpret the Scriptures however we like.  I encourage you to research Church history for the facts on this.  Luther put his 95 theses on the doors of the church in Wittenburg in opposition to Pagan Romes many heresies.  The reformation was about giving the people the ability to read the Bible at all, not just throw around random opinions about what they believe it says.  That's what the catholics were doing which sparked the movement in the first place.  

     

    Uhuh... Yeah, V4, sola scriptura. And as far as people and reading the Bible, they knew it waaaay better than most people alive today. Just look at stain glass windows in any church, they're covered in Biblical stories. Or, read through literature from the period. The books are chock full of Scriptural references, like Dante's Inferno. 

    V4lisinn:
    Besides, "Scripture is for no private interpretation"

    You do realize the implications of this, right? If this were true, then Luther should never have been able to interpret the scriptures to form his Solae, or anything else for that matter. His interpretation was private that he later shared with other people. 

    And as for the 95? Those were arguments against the abuse of indulgences at the time. He didn't launch into attacking 'Pagan Rome's heresies' until at least two years later. I'd cover more, but gotta go to class. 

    Cheers

     

  • Honestly, figuring out how the world was made should be pretty low on our priority list as Christians. What is important about Genesis 1 is that God made the world and everything in it to glorify him, regardless of how he did it.

    Arguing about things such as this can also cause unnecessary divisions among Christians. God tells us to "preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace" ~Ephesians 4:3. Though debates can be healthy, we must be sure to speak out of love, not out of anger and frustration at each other. Rather than focus and spent lots of time on the things we disagree on, we should put effort in to spreading the truth that we can agree on: That  "If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world" (1 John 2:1-2). Ultimately who was right about creation will not matter. What will matter is if we spread God's truth to those around us, so let's focus on that.

    For a more fleshed out explanation, check my blog post:

    godandgaming.blogspot.com/.../mass-effect-trilogy-and-theological.html

  • Luke Strain: I had a really long and elaborate comment typed on the blog page you posted about this thread in particular and some interesting points on your blog (which I did like btw) but I clicked preview not publish and for some unknown reason, LOST IT ALL.  I will not be typing that much again but suffice to say, I find the modern Church weak in it's mastery of Scripture and lacking in firm foundations of truth.  We need to be stronger in our stances on simple Biblical doctrines and six day Creation is a pretty easy one.  Anyway, my fingers hurt and I don't feel like typing anymore.  I pray that we all can realize who the sovereign God is why taking His word LITERALLY is of utmost importance!  

  • The only thing in the creation of the world, whether old or young, that is foundational or fundamental is that God did it.  That is the thing we should agree on.  As for whether the six days are literal or not isn't as important.

    I also believe that the modern Church has many faults and lacks a lot of understanding in the Bible.

    Saying that taking the Word literally is of utmost importance ignores a lot of biblical passages that are not literal.  Heck, none of Jesus' parables were literal.  They were figures of speech used to represent an important principle or moral.  The fact that so many visions and a huge chunk of Revelation simply symbolize other things says that not everything in the Bible is meant literally or should be taken literally although many things should be.

    You and I both may believe in the six days creation, but it is not a foundational truth.  The foundational truth in it is that God created the world, whether He did it in six days or over a billion years.

    Revelations 21:6

  • We are not necessarily "doubting God's Word for what it is".  There are many things in the Bible that are universally believed and preached, but these include subjects like Jesus Christ, God, salvation, sin, etc.  Doubting those would be doubting God's Word for what it is.  But simply applying God's Word in a different way (about a subject that's not that important anyway) isn't even doubt in the first place.  It also has nothing to do with the genealogies of people in Genesis or Jesus, and I'm not sure how you could draw that conclusion.

    Revelations 21:6

  • If I may start a new conversation here...

    Why do you think Christians get such a bad rap in society today? my basis for this observation is just things I've overheard among random conversations, all the shows on TV that openly mock us Christians, and also this: www.whatdoestheinternetthink.net  (type in 'Christianity').

  • in general, people aren't critical of Jesus, just his followers (use the above link to 'whatdoestheinternetthink.net' and type in 'Jesus Christ' compare to 'Christianity'). I think one of the biggest thing that makes people hate Christians as a group are all the un-believers trying to get OTHER people to act like Christians.

  • To answer this question fully would take forever but I'll try to give my short opinion on it. I believe it can be simply traced back to us Christians. It is no secret how much bloodshed has been seen throughout history. However, whenever an idea or group of people attach themselves to certain occasions of havoc, willingly or not, they are bound to be related to such occasions whenever they are thought of. Per example, most notably the Crusades, extremely evil things were done during it (of course things weren't so good before nor after either) but when an institution that should be led by understanding, fellowship, peace and harmony starts to kill, steal, lie and cheat. Things are bound to get ugly for them. That leaves a bad rep.

    Now as for non-believers, those who strayed, and others when they continuously mock/attack Christians, most cases are that they have some direct personal disagreement or animosity towards something for which Christianity is known to stand for. But, often times it is also pure ignorance. The lack of understanding is remarkably a leading cause for hate (for those with or without faith) that many let themselves get swayed away by their own ideals because they never took the time to see different perspectives and opinions within the opposing group.

    I now see many different churches and organizations trying to..redefine, for the lack of a better word, themselves so that they are no longer related to the stereotypes of hypocritical and mindless Christians that are are so prevalent in the media.

    So in the end, I see it as a lack of understanding in their part but also a poor way to handle things in ours.

    P.s. I used to have youth leaders whom told me I shouldn't hang out with certain friends, yet kept saying to live by Jesus' examples...I guess they forgot how Jesus often was around people of other faiths, prostitutes, liars, etc. I believe we should take the first step and be open about ourselves and our faith; educate and lead by example, but also being extremely delicate and understanding of other cultures/beliefs/lifestyles/general choices of life. If we shut ourselves in and point fingers to blame and judge, that'll always perpetuate the bad rep we get and continue to make things the way they are.

  • @The Enemy Gate is Down

    I think it's based on a lot of things.  For one, it's like neither side knows what they're talking about.  There are Christians who act like hypocrites and are judgmental, but there are nonbelievers who think those people represent all of humanity.

    In Acts, the early church was loving and caring, and they did what Jesus told them to.  The only people who hated them then were zealous Jews.  Other people loved them, and thousands of people were saved in that time.

    At the same time, people like my father, who's been judged by "Christians" for his tattoos, think those people represent all of Christianity.

    @Kai Atlas:

    My youth leaders used to tell me the same thing, and it confused me, too.  I still hang out with the same people without doing what they do.

    Revelations 21:6

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