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  • Hi everyone. I go to a christian university and I have been somewhat at odds with some of the stuff that's been going on with administrators controlling the social factors of the campus. Here's the sit-rep:

    Social contract bans:


    Consumption of alcohol

    Sexual interactions of any kind

    The display of said actions above.

    The contract also implies contribution in:

    21 chapel attendances per semester.

    There was also the forced banning of participation of a Facebook page where people could post anonymous stories or debate issues of what ever they want.

    Now I understand trying to create a Christ friendly community is at the heart of what the school administrators are trying to do here. But influencing and forcing are two different things. There are also non-Christians that attend the university. The control of social interaction at this school does seem forced. After all it would seem to me that a Christ centered community would have to come from its people, and is not meant to be controlled by someone. In my experience, people have to choose to seek God from their own decision and that in turn is what would create a Christ centered community.

    I'm not the only student that feels this way but I wanted to get some possibly less biased views on the issue. What do you all think? Am I overreacting or is there really an issue that we should be worrying about.

  • I've heard of similar contracts that say (to the effect there of) "I will be a respectable person" (or whatever they say.)

    This seems rather... extreme. What with the whole, banning of the FB page, the 21 attendances, and everything else, it almost looks like the modeled this contract after the Puritans. In my opinion, by banning such things as smoking and drinking, you exacerbate the problem. I've seen plenty of Christian universities where there is a smoking population, and everything is fine. If they want to ban smoking in buildings, that's fine, if they want to ban under age drinking, thats excellent, but I disagree with banning it outright. 

    I don't think you're overreacting.  


  • My school bans alcohol and smoking on-campus, but if you want you can go off-campus to smoke or drink (you can't be drunk when you come back on campus, though).  We also aren't allowed to have people of the opposite sex in our dorms, except at certain visiting hours.  However, we are allowed PDAs and such.  The 21 chapel attendances per semester seems a bit extreme.  I think I'm just required 21 chapel attendances, in any semester, to graduate (and plays and community events sometimes count as chapel credit).

    If it's not too personal, would you mind saying which university you go to?  I may recognize it.

  • The 21 chapel attendances seems extreme to me, too.  I don't really understand banning smoking, and underage drinking makes sense.  My problem is that if you're going to openly prohibit one thing because it's a sin, you should include every other sin.

    This might be off-topic, but every sin is the same.  So on that contract, wouldn't it make sense to include "you cannot lie", "you cannot show pride", etc. since you already openly condemn those few.  I know that, from what I've seen, telling someone they're wrong and that they can't do something often makes things worse.  You can't be fully against this and not so much against that.  Do you get what I mean?

    If it's not too personal, too, are you Baptist, Methodist, etc.?  I'm just curious.

    1 Peter 3:15 (NASB): "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

  • Honestly, I believe that rules like rules that are important for private Christian Universities. While it is one thing for us to hold non-Christians to a Christian standard, the rules that your university has in place have probably there since before you started going. I doubt they hide those rules either, so when you chose to go to that university, you knew they were going to hold you to that standard, so it is fine even with non-Christians there.

    Another aspect you must consider us that as a Christian university it is important they maintain a reputation of being "above reproach." as a Christian university, they want to look different than non Christian universities, and a good way to do this is with rules similar to the ones they have in place.

    I also.know what you are mean by saying all sins should be banned then, but I would say that any sin that is measurable is. Lying to your professor or advisor is punishable at any university. Showing pride on the other hand is not measurable, so they cannot punish for it.

  • I can understand that a Christian University should have rules and a good reputation, but can a university punish you for something (like sexual interaction) that is that personal, sin or not?

    1 Peter 3:15 (NASB): "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

  • George fox in Oregon

  • George fox is the University I mean.

  • I agree with Luke. These sort of things are made know before you go to a school and are so that the school can maintain it's image as above reproach. Let's say the their were no rules and they allowed anything. I highly doubt that they would be able to consider themselves a Christian school. And if this is a private university then they are allowed to make whatever rules they want.

    The only one that bothers me is the Facebook one, but since I don't have an account then it wouldn't effect me. And if I really want to attend a certain school then I would totally comply with their rules.

    Currently, a school CBU (Cal Baptist University) is being sued because of it's student contract. I feel that, that is very wrong and CBU should win. The student shouldn't be able to get tons of money in "damages" for being expelled for breaking their contract with the school. They signed it, they should follow the rules and if they don't it's not the school's fault.

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