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  • Hey everyone, I was surfing the web and happened upon this article. I found it very interesting and wanted to share it. Not saying I'm Democrat or Republican. I really have no political party. Here's the link.

     

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/ellenpainterdollar/2012/10/why-i-am-a-christian-democrat/

  • What an arrogant username...

  • For clarity, that was directed at The Truth

  • Thanks for sharing, the article brings up a lot of interesting points. 

    Personally I believe you should vote based on the candidate not the party. I assume many people blindly vote for candidates of a particular party solely based on the fact that they are representing that party. In contrast voters should decide on key issues (globally and locally), then find the candidate that would best represent their particular views.
  • Wow, Truth. I'm offended by your ridiculously ignorant sweeping generalization on black people. When you consider the fact that black people only make up about 12 percent of this country's population and factor in the fact that part of that 12 percent is still underage and therefore cannot vote, and another part of that population doesn't even like Obama (you would know that if you actually knew anything about black people) then you'd know that it wasn't our vote that got Obama in to the office.

    As for the "welfare queens," you might want to visit an actual social services office. If you did you might see that most of the people receiving welfare, foodstamps, medicare, WIC, etc. etc., look like Mama June from Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. And I can honestly say that affirmative action never did a thing for me, but studies have shown that it has done plenty for white women. So before you go spouting off a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, you might want to do a bit more research.

    And as for why more blacks don't vote republican, it has nothing to do with the fact that we disagree. My husband and I are actually republican and my mother is in such a high tax bracket that she'd honestly be better off voting republican cause she'd be less likely to get screwed over during tax time every year. However the reason we don't vote republican (we didn't vote for Obama either) is because they never seem to be able to come up with a strong frontrunner who isn't either blatantly ignorant or racist. If the republican party could actually pick a strong candidate then you might actually see more people vote republican. I know that my husband and I (and many other black people) certainly would because our political and religious values are already aligned with those of the party.

    But as for Jesus and where he would stand in all of this, it is my honest opinion that he would oppose it all because neither side is actually completely right, and politics overall has proven to be one big farce. Let us not forget, Jesus was not only sacrificed for our sins, but he was also murdered for political reasons because he threatened a corrupt power structure. If he were here now I'm sure that he would do the same. Look at what both parties have done to this country since 9/11 and you'll see that for the most part they both are corrupt, And because of that (and the racist republican candidates) even though I'm more of a republican than anything, I'll keep voting independent. This country is in desperate need of political reform and both parties are way too immersed in their own silly personal agendas to actually make the changes that this country needs.

  • I just said I thought it was interesting. I never said that this article reflected my views.

  • Now I suppose that I must come to smother the flames. First, I will share my own beliefs on politics. I believe that American Christians have a duty to their country to vote, and this comes, of course, with a big decision. Personally, I don't side with people because they are of a particular party. There are some things that Democrats have advocated that I agree with (for example, I have changed my opinion on Obamacare). There are other things (somewhat coincidentally, very few things at the moment) that Republicans advocate that I agree with. I consider myself Independent, and I think that this is the better place to be in for any American. All too often, people vote based on the party that they claim to be a part of. I try, as much as I can, to analyze both views and to support the views that I think are correct and good, no matter who it comes from.

    Of course, this is coming from a different perspective. I'm not yet old enough to vote, but these are the ideas that I carry into political discussions with friends (and you guys, apparently).

    As for what The Truth said, I think that some of his ideas are racially one-sided. I've seen these ideas expressed by my own parents and other people, and the fact is that this is false. Neither white nor black people receive more help from the government, and it would not matter if they did. I think that it would surely be better to help the most people in the United States (since this is one of the government's duties), and any statistics based on race or demographics of any kind are, to me, irrelevant.

    As for Jesus, I'm not one to attempt to interpret things out of context. If Jesus had come originally to be the King that the Jews had thought that He would be, then in fact, there would not be a democracy. And from what I've read, there's no reason biblically to think that Jesus would have had any particular views of government, especially a form of government like the United States, which is very unique and was formed almost one thousand, eight hundred years after Jesus.

    1 Peter 3:15 (NASB): "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

  • If you haven't read it before, I recommend a book by John Macarthur, The Jesus You Can't Ignore. It's an excellent read in general but that book, combined with my own personal research, and what I learned during the theology courses I took in college are what lead me to believe that Jesus wouldn't support either political party. So if thats the case, and he really wouldn't support either one, then neither party could really be considered Christian, therefore this entire argument doesn't even matter.

    And as much as I'd like to agree that these racial statistics and who gets what from the government shouldn't matter, as long as there are people willing to swing that nonsense around as a reason to hate the minorities of this country, then those statistics will always be relevant. However I understand your position. But as someone who has been denied jobs because I'm black, followed in major retail stores because of my ethnicity, called out of my name, and been accused of using government aid (never been on any form nor has anyone in my family, and my near perfect SAT scores made affirmative action unnecessary) just because I'm black, these kinds of things are very relevant for me.

    I wasn't trying to be hostile, however I have very little tolerance for ignorance, especially that of the bigoted kind. I suppose that unless you've experienced this type of thing on a regular it's a little hard to understand where I'm coming from.

  • Well, the amount of people who raise the topic of race when discussing things like Obamacare as if it is relevant is irrelevant when considering whether or not race is really relevant to the discussion.  The fact is that if race is irrelevant to the discussion, then people who claim that it is relevant are simply incorrect.  And I don't experience what you experience.  I hate that racism has been a consistent problem in the United States and still continues to be, but my point was that which race is helped most by a law should not be taken into consideration when discussing whether or not the law is good.  If the law will help people (while, of course, being enforceable, constitutional, etc.) then it should be passed.

    I understand why you would respond passionately to some of The Truth's comments, and I'm disappointed and surprised anyway that the discussion started off so controversial and heated.  Let's all return to gentle, respectful discussion, shall we?

    1 Peter 3:15 (NASB): "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

  • IMHO, this argument is pointless. I didn't link the article to start a war, I just wanted to do my part in keeping this group alive by posting an interesting conversation piece. I sincerely apologize if I've cause any hostility.

  • Captain Planet, thanks for sharing the video.  You weren't the cause of hostility, I think it stems in part from The Truth's poor wording of his post (as well as some pretty tin-foil hat insanity).  I can understand Arkayde's reaction because even if he didn't mean to say that ALL black people voted for Obama, he certainly didn't go out of his way to make that clear.

  • "Tin-foil hat insanity?"  How in the world does this help the discussion?  If you disagree with his views, provide some evidence against them.  Don't be content with just calling his views insane.  Show why they are insane (if they really are).

    1 Peter 3:15 (NASB): "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

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