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  • Alright, I think it might be a good idea to have a general suggestion box for ideas about the site.

     

    My first suggestion is probably a touchy subject, but a few of the veteran members and I have been a little turned off by how many duplicate/misplaced threads that have largely resulted from the large influx of newcomers to the revamped GI website.

    Some of us have started thinking that it might be a good idea to make new members reach level 3 before they are able to create their own threads.  Since it takes 20 forum posts to accumulate the 100 points needed to reach level 3, this would encourage newcomers to actually look around and get a feel for the site, how people post, what topics are already out there, and how to search for existing topics. 

    I think that would also greatly cut down on duplicate/misplaced threads or other generally pointless threads, not to mention keep people from signing up then posting an annoying ad.  This would surely make the mod's jobs easier and keep things more focused and organized.

    Of course, the main concern with such a change would be the fear of newcomer discrimination.  Unfortunately I don't really know how to counteract this.  However, the way I see it is right now many veteran users are likely privately looking down on many of the newcomers for the above reasons, so I think that newcomer discrimination is regretfully one of those things that just kind of happens one way or another.

    The last thing I want is to discourage newcomers from becoming involved in the great forum community we have set up, but I also think it's really important for the newcomers to have a break in period before we set them loose to post whatever they want, and I think a 100 point break in period ought to be reasonable.

    I know this may discourage some newcomers but the intention of this idea is to create more valued posters as quickly as possible, instead of having dozens of newcomers make duplicate/misplaced threads or other mistakes and having the veteran community frown upon both the newcomers and the resulting disorganization that their duplicate/misplaced threads cause.

    I won't blame anyone for not wanting to implement this idea for fear of newcomer discrimination, but it's an idea that many of the veteran members would like to see go into effect and I hope it will at least be considered.

  • dbull620:

    Of course, the main concern with such a change would be the fear of newcomer discrimination.  Unfortunately I don't really know how to counteract this.  However, the way I see it is right now many veteran users are likely privately looking down on many of the newcomers for the above reasons, so I think that newcomer discrimination is regretfully one of those things that just kind of happens one way or another.

    Well... have the veteran users thought about creating a forum JUST for Newcomers? A Place that they can go and be shown the ways of 'thread', 'review' and 'forum'? One of the greatest things about a site that is both open and user content driven is the ability to do those kinds of things. GI does restrict a bit of those abilities, but the best way to get an influx of users to adapt to an established style and format is for the ones responsible for the tempo to teach it to the fledgling users. There are more veteran users than mods and staff so for them to do it wold require extra time and effort where is if you guys handled it, the responsibility could be shared and then the mods and staff could periodically oversee how things were being run and lend support in an unbiased fashion.

     

    Just a thought.

     

    CAUTION: Shawn's blog increases the risk of intelligence.

  • It wouldn't be a forum just for newcomers if veteran posters were hanging around there all the time to show them the ropes now would it?  Besides, we have things like the forum rules thread, the newcomer introduction thread, and a few veteran created threads and blog posts to serve as guides for newcomers to follow.  

    The problem is not enough newcomers appear to be looking at these things before they start creating threads, and things are continuing to become more disorganized as a result.  That's where this idea stemmed from in the first place.

    I can speak from personal experience that these things get overlooked a lot.  When I first joined back in days of the old forums, guess what my very first post was.  It was a duplicate console war thread.  Like a classic newbie I jumped in headfirst and hit my head on the bottom.

  • Suggestion Box is very good.  Discussion is very good.  I will catch up on it more tomorrow.

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    dbull620:

    It wouldn't be a forum just for newcomers if veteran posters were hanging around there all the time to show them the ropes now would it?  Besides, we have things like the forum rules thread, the newcomer introduction thread, and a few veteran created threads and blog posts to serve as guides for newcomers to follow.  

    The problem is not enough newcomers appear to be looking at these things before they start creating threads, and things are continuing to become more disorganized as a result.  That's where this idea stemmed from in the first place.

    I'd arge that it would be a forum for newcomers despite veterans hanging out. You guys would be the  guides simply showing people the ins and outs. You'd have to pick a couple of people to follow and see what they do and how they do it... suggest a better way to try something, offer an alternative method of approaching things, and generally foster good practices by making them known as they do them.

     

    You're going to get all kinds on a UCC site, and many of them aren't new to UCC nor are they new to video games, which does provide a challenge when trying to keep an organized and established flow different from other places they have come from. I know that the UCC sites I frequent vary greatly in structure and format and therefore crowd. I've had to adjust a little, and I get a bit snappy, but I'm human too. I don't see anything inherently wrong about the suggestion box... but I dont think that putting forth an organized concerted effort to wrangle in the things you feel need serious fixing is bad either... so long as it isnt taken as a form of law enforcement. The worst that can happen is the staff say not to... and then you stop.

     

    What I'd do... if go to... the writers guild and start a thread to see who'd be interested in starting up a group like that and raise awareness - with defined goals and a code of ethics that you agree to follow that was inline with the site purpose and direction... but... you'll always have people that dont look before they start doing things... there's no way around that one.

    CAUTION: Shawn's blog increases the risk of intelligence.

  • I would like it if we could post on the comment's section on our profile. I am slightly lazy, and I don't like having to converse with most people by sifting through profiles to follow it.

    Other than that though, I love it.

  • Paulinatr:

    I would like it if we could post on the comment's section on our profile. I am slightly lazy, and I don't like having to converse with most people by sifting through profiles to follow it.

    Other than that though, I love it.

    I guess since you have a Disturbed avatar, I can see what I can do...

    ha, in all reality, I recommend using the Conversations ability (unless you wanted your response to be public) for now, anyway - that really makes it easy to chat back and forth on the site.  That's not a bad feature request, and I would like to eventually see those as more fully featured (each of them their own separate threads).

     

  • @Dbull

    I had a thought....

    What if, there was a set of rules for newcomers posted at the base of all threads for people who were below level 5 (the level of bronze)...

    to sum it up in an if/then sort of way, it would work like this from the server standpoint:

    If user  < level 5 then show 'rules of engagement'

    if user > or = level 5 then hide 'rules of engagement'

    this way all new users would see a standard of contribution no matter where or when they went, and can't side step them... by the time they're level 5 they should have enough commonsense and experience to understand the flow of the site. It requires no extra effort on your part and if you see bronze members neglecting the rules, you can dig into them a bit - because they know better. I may also reduce the number of sticky threads needed in some areas....

    CAUTION: Shawn's blog increases the risk of intelligence.

  • Yeah, that'd be nice;  that would have the same effect as my signature, just on a much wider scale.

    One thing I would certainly like to see within the Forum Rules thread is more of the "unspoken rules of the community" and some of the advice like in Blade's thread which emphasizes the search and edit features.  It would be much easier to point newcomers to a single, all inclusive thread instead of 4 or 5 different threads and/or blogs.

  • My suggestion for the site would be a calendar that displays the new releases for the upcoming month, including the games' review/preview rating.  The section could also include the top selling/most popular games.

    Maybe it's already on the site, but I haven't been able to find it.  And if it isn't accessible then it isn't effective ;)

  • Cantwin8:

    My suggestion for the site would be a calendar that displays the new releases for the upcoming month, including the games' review/preview rating.  The section could also include the top selling/most popular games.

    Maybe it's already on the site, but I haven't been able to find it.  And if it isn't accessible then it isn't effective ;)

    A calendar is a great idea, and it isn't something that we currently have on the site (the closest thing is the weekly round-up, this week's can be seen here).

    I can't promise when this goes up, but I can at least say that it has graduated from forum post to legitimately on the drawing board.

    Thanks!

  • I think it would be neat if you had a submission art gallery. I know you guys have gotten probably tons of submissions over the years and it would be awesome to see it all in one place!


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  • Sean, are there any plans to bring back blox, kudos, or introduce some kind of equivalent system to general forum posts?  It's kind of strange to have the stars rating system for blogs and the percentage rating system for guides, yet not have anything for general forum posts.  I think it's a great way to raise awareness towards what the community considers good quality posts and what kinds of posts the community frowns upon.  

    Personally I would much rather see a blox or stars system than the kudos system from the old forums, because with kudos there was no way to make it clear what types of posts the community generally disapproved of without people strait up coming out and saying it in a reply to said posts.  

    I think the message comes across much faster when you see 1 or 2 blox/stars next to a post than it does when you have to read a reply of someone telling that person that we don't like those kinds of posts (e.g. extreme showcases of fanboyism, trolling, flaming, spam, etc).

  • dbull620:

    Sean, are there any plans to bring back blox, kudos, or introduce some kind of equivalent system to general forum posts?  It's kind of strange to have the stars rating system for blogs and the percentage rating system for guides, yet not have anything for general forum posts.  I think it's a great way to raise awareness towards what the community considers good quality posts and what kinds of posts the community frowns upon.  

    Personally I would much rather see a blox or stars system than the kudos system from the old forums, because with kudos there was no way to make it clear what types of posts the community generally disapproved of without people strait up coming out and saying it in a reply to said posts.  

    I think the message comes across much faster when you see 1 or 2 blox/stars next to a post than it does when you have to read a reply of someone telling that person that we don't like those kinds of posts (e.g. extreme showcases of fanboyism, trolling, flaming, spam, etc).

    We definitely have a lot of plans to improve the forums, but any major overhauls to the site, which something like that would have to be (may not seem like it, but when you think about storing and using the data, it adds up) will have to wait until after beta.

  • I'm still seeing a high number of threads that are posted as question threads but are actually meant to be discussion threads.  Considering that there seem to be a lot more discussion threads than question threads, wouldn't it make more sense to default on the Discussion option when you go to make a new thread instead of the Question option?

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