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Frib on Fire: ZombieU just seems like a it's trying to be Demon souls. One life, no end game, no real progression, you die, any skills you gained and any items you had are lost. start with new character. But they took out a cool world and replaced it with overused zombies and they took out the hardcore RPG elements. The gamepad stuff doesn't impresses me enough to make the game not seem unoriginal.
ZombieU just seems like a it's trying to be Demon souls. One life, no end game, no real progression, you die, any skills you gained and any items you had are lost. start with new character.
But they took out a cool world and replaced it with overused zombies and they took out the hardcore RPG elements. The gamepad stuff doesn't impresses me enough to make the game not seem unoriginal.
When did you play it...?
I don't think you know much about the game, and you seem to be making assumptions. For one thing, you don't necessarily lose all you collected when you die--you can "easily" get it back--and we actually know very, very little about the story or overall progression of the story of the game. The thing is, the game's concept is geared on making death in a video game into an actual set-back again. The way it was in the "olden days" before we had all these easy numerous re-spawns and frequent checkpoints.
Very, very few games make death a stressful issue anymore. It's just a minor set-back. "Oh, I died. Well, good thing I passed one of the 50,000 checkpoints in this game seven seconds ago." The only annoying part of dying in modern gaming is the loading screen.
I don't see where you got a Demon's Souls vibe from it. Frankly, the way it's set-up, the game that seems most closely related to ZombiU is The Last of Us--even the inventory appeared to be used in a similar manner. And that relation comes from setting, style, gameplay, and focus.
Well, I don't know much of this game since I have not been following it, but it's one I've been looking forward to since E3 and I thought it was a bit like Dark Souls, especially since, as you said, every dead is an actuall setback so you get a bit tense trying to escape every time you feel like you wont make it. The inventory comparison with The last of us could actually be used to compare it to DS as well since that one doesn't pause the game any time as well, I think the new RE might be doing that too so it may be starting to become some kind of thrend.
If I had to compare it to another game, it would have to be DayZ, but I don't think this one has the online component of that one and also seems to focus on more narrow spaces from the small bits of gameplay I've seen. If anything, this is an original game that has my interest grabbed for now.
Making death stressful... Just like demon souls just did... But with less hardcore RPG elements and difficulty that pull in the true bloods.
Other than that it doesn't really do anything new. Case in point, if you were to take the game pad out of it and drop it on to XBox and PS3 it would be average at best. Definitely not in the same league as the big name zombie games that have been out already like Dead Island and Resident Evil
And really... comparing it to The Last of Us...? A game with terrific visuals, and fighting humans, and mutants, and always having a partner, and a terrific interesting story people are already waiting to see. Not to mention the fact one is 3rd person and ones 1st. Or that one is in a post apocalyptic world and one is just in present day England.
Yes... they both have inventories... that does not make them the same really in any way possible other than that.
"In ZombieU, if you die, you are forever dead. And death comes quickly, with your character only able to survive a small amount of punishment. You will then respawn as a different person within a huge environment, with all of your stats and weapons wiped out! You’ll have to start from scratch from a new location, with a new character! As you kill zombies, you level up your equipment and weapons and get stronger and stronger, however if you die, all of this disappears and you must start anew! Thus, ZombieU offers survival in the truest sense of the word! Instead of a game where you play a linear or non-linear story until you reach an ending, you are playing to see if you can break your record for surviving the longest. While none of your stats transfer over to a new character if you are killed, you can actually navigate through the environment to find your dead body, which is now a zombie enemy to fight, and reclaim your old equipment!"
So... no story, no matter how strong you get you can still die in a few bites and lose all of it, and no ending other than breaking your survival high score....
How is that something exciting?
Frib on Fire: "In ZombieU, if you die, you are forever dead. And death comes quickly, with your character only able to survive a small amount of punishment. You will then respawn as a different person within a huge environment, with all of your stats and weapons wiped out! You’ll have to start from scratch from a new location, with a new character! As you kill zombies, you level up your equipment and weapons and get stronger and stronger, however if you die, all of this disappears and you must start anew! Thus, ZombieU offers survival in the truest sense of the word! Instead of a game where you play a linear or non-linear story until you reach an ending, you are playing to see if you can break your record for surviving the longest. While none of your stats transfer over to a new character if you are killed, you can actually navigate through the environment to find your dead body, which is now a zombie enemy to fight, and reclaim your old equipment!" So... no story, no matter how strong you get you can still die in a few bites and lose all of it, and no ending other than breaking your survival high score.... How is that something exciting?
Again:
We don't know everything about the game.
And:
When did you play it to completion to have such a confident analysis of how good it is or isn't? You certainly talk as if you know absolutely everything about it.
I'm curious why you're even posting here as, if I remember correctly, you've been dead-set in your belief that the Wii U and everything on it is "pure crap" already and you have less than no interest in even trying the games, let alone making an objective analysis of one of them. Were you not the one who thought the controller was just the exact same thing as the Dreamcast controller?
By the way, claiming the game has "no story" because I did not mention the story--as the details of it have yet to be released--is stupid. You're taking a lack of knowledge of something as proof of knowledge of something. Essentially, when I didn't mention the story (again, because the story details aren't yet known), you took that as proof the game has no story. This is the exact same kind of error in logic that you find with people that say "because you can't disprove God, that's proof of God." You can't disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster either.
We don't know the full details of the stories of a lot of upcoming games--like the next Bungie game. By your very example, you must think the story of the next Bungie game is either stupid or non-existent.
For that matter, video games do not need a solid story to be fun or entertaining. Or haven't you ever heard of Contra, Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, Left 4 Dead, Gradius, R-Type, Splosion Man, Burnout, Blur, Super Mario Bros, Peggle, Pac-Man, Tetris, Galaga, Sonic the Hedgehog, Street Fighter X Tekken, Super Smash Bros....
I guess my problem is with your constant absolutist statements, always said with an air of "I've already played hundreds of hours of this upcoming game and/or platform that's not even out yet" that's annoying, often plagued with absurd levels of ignorance.
"It doesn't have a story, therefore, it's bad." Well, that's not necessarily true. Especially given that you don't know the details of the story.
"Everything in the game has been done before and better." And you would know that, how, exactly? Psychic phenomena? Dowsing rods? Ouija board? Because there's no way you've played the game to the point to be able to make that statement--and are highly unlikely to have even played it at all.
"It's like Demon Souls because it's trying to be 'serious about death,' therefore, it's like a stupid version of Demon's Souls without the RPG elements." The only way this statement could be made is by knowing absolutely nothing about the game aside from one or two sentences I stated earlier, and going by that alone.
"Everybody else has done zombie games better already, anyway." What logic is this based upon? The fact that there's a ridiculous variety to zombie games, and none of them tackle the genre in the way the developers of ZombiU have stated? Maybe you aren't aware of this (and a lot of gamers don't seem to be aware of this), but not all zombie games are the same, nor does having zombies in a game automatically restrict what can or cannot be done with the genre. Dead Island, Left 4 Dead, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Dead Rising, House of the Dead, Zombie Revenge, Little Red Riding Hood's Zombie BBQ, Teenage Zombies, and Resident Evil are all zombie-themed games that are really nothing alike, and run the gamut of every genre out there (except maybe racing games).
Doubts are fine, but your absolutist comments are really silly. Saying it won't appeal to hardcore gamers, for that matter, only shows you don't understand hardcore gamers, or you've categorized us into a very odd and specific group.
No... it's not my absolutist comments that bother you. It's the fact that they aren't the same as your absolutist comments.
I say the things that are known about the game aren't that exciting to me. You freak out and say thats impossible. I say the Wii U isn't that innovative and not interesting as of now. You freak out and say thats impossible for anyone to ever think that. I say the game has no story because a report came out that says the game has no story. You freak out and instead try to talk about religion for some reason. I make a logical reference to how this game so far has lots of things in common with other games so you think I've said that it's exactly the same as everything else but worse. I make, again, a logical statement about zombie games are overdone and that there are already a few very very good ones. So you, again, freak out and try to claim that it's completely different in every way from a FPS zombie survival game. Which it obviously is.
See so the problem isn't me having logical concerns. It's you thinking that anyone with logical concerns must be some evil demon come to try and ruin all of nintendo so you therefor blindly fight a glorious crusade against non fanatics so that Nintendo can sleep safely every night.
Frib on Fire: No... it's not my absolutist comments that bother you. It's the fact that they aren't the same as your absolutist comments. I say the things that are known about the game aren't that exciting to me. You freak out and say thats impossible. I say the Wii U isn't that innovative and not interesting as of now. You freak out and say thats impossible for anyone to ever think that. I say the game has no story because a report came out that says the game has no story. You freak out and instead try to talk about religion for some reason. I make a logical reference to how this game so far has lots of things in common with other games so you think I've said that it's exactly the same as everything else but worse. I make, again, a logical statement about zombie games are overdone and that there are already a few very very good ones. So you, again, freak out and try to claim that it's completely different in every way from a FPS zombie survival game. Which it obviously is. See so the problem isn't me having logical concerns. It's you thinking that anyone with logical concerns must be some evil demon come to try and ruin all of nintendo so you therefor blindly fight a glorious crusade against non fanatics so that Nintendo can sleep safely every night.
Actually, had you read my posts, I never said anything with an absolutist stance. I say things like "looks good," "sounds promising," "sounds like a good design." Positive, hopeful maybe, but not absolutist. I never said it's going to be as good as "The Last of Us," just that the premise and gameplay style sounds very similar.
And, ha, I never "tried to talk about religion." I made an analogy to the way you were posting. You're.... ha ha, impossible to talk to.
Saying "zombie games are overdone" isn't a "logical statement." It's an opinion. A logical statement would be to say (in a hypothetical sense), "sales of zombie-themed games have dropped, probably because they've been over-done." Granted, this is just an example, try not to do your usual and take this as some kind of fact.
I think you should study up on "logic." You're doing it wrong. Sort of the way your "logic" was flawed when you made the statement that "a screen in the Wii U GamePad means that the controller is the same as the Dreamcast controller, because they both have screens." Well, if the controllers themselves were exactly alike in every other way (which they are not), then there might be something to your statement.
But you can say "zombie games are overdone" all you want, but I bet you're still looking forward to any number of games with zombies or zombie themes--not the least of which includes Resident Evil 6, Dead Space 3, Call of Duty's inevitable zombie mode, the update of Left 4 Dead, the Dead Island sequel, and, let's admit it here, The Last of Us. I would have personally liked to see them not use this "wild infected, zombie-like creature" theme in the game, but we'll see how it works out.
I still felt the only weak part of Uncharted was the "morlock attack," since it destroyed the "somewhat" realistic adventure feel of the game. It was silly.
But concerning this? I haven't made any absolutist statements. I think it looks cool, I think it has a lot of potential, and its yet another different take on the zombie theme. Unless you think my saying "I think it looks cool and sounds promising" is on the same level as your "it's (as in it is, absolutist) unoriginal, not fun to play, and has no story at all" statements.
You're silly, bro.
So first, and let's get this out of the way. In no way is ZombieU like Last of Us. That comparison dies after "they are both video games with guns"
Actually... I said it "seems" like it's trying to be different games. I said "to me" it doesn't impress. There are a ton of zombie games. Over done means that there is too many of something. Therefor zombie games are overdone. If you don't believe me here's 250 of them
Also I've never ever said ""a screen in the Wii U GamePad means that the controller is the same as the Dreamcast controller, because they both have screens" So if we're just making up quotes then how about when you said "I don't care what anyone says I'm just going to fight them because I love nintendo and don't really care about anything other than trying to be the best nintendo fan ever!" See how that seems a bit idiotic...
Also you know what the difference between most of those games and ZombieU is... they're sequels, and come out on a system I don't have to buy. And they all have good storytelling. Except for maybe Left for Dead which I didn't play so I can't talk about.
You think it has a lot of potential. I, and others, think it has very little potential. Which because we think different makes us idiots and silly.
You think it's a different take. I, and others, think it does nothing new at all. And yet we're wrong and you're 100% right.
The problem isn't you saying you like the game. I haven't once said you're dumb or wrong or crazy for saying you want to buy a game. You on the other hand can't stand anyone saying anything even remotely negative about something that you'll do nothing but try to tear the person apart with false quotes, ramblings about nothing, and ridiculous analogies.
The problem isn't us. It's you being so closed minded that not even once can you let someone saying something negative about anything nintendo go buy unmolested by your perverse righteous attitude that you are 100% right and that you will never not be 100% right.
Ah drats it didn't let me post the GameInformer article of 250 zombie games. Oh well
I personally can not wait to get my Wii U and ZombiU. I dont understand what stars is talking about. I am a hardcore gamer, spending about 50hrs a week gaming on multiple consoles. And believe you me, ZombiU is more then interesting, if anything STARS should be excited about this title more then any other that was announced due to the fact of how mature this third party title is. It shows that Nintendo is ready to actually include all people like its saying it does, including hardcore gamers.
Lets see a console coming out that is for family and hardcore gamers that can be played like a handheld that "comes at an affordable" price that has a die hard fan base.... pretty sure it will sell. Ill finish this up by saying that zombie games are an extremely powerful genre and personally I dont like Dead Rising nor do I like Dead Island. To me you dont have that many great zombie titles, Left 4 dead is amazing so it the Resident Evil series, but thats really about it so this is a welcome. Its funny that someone with the username STARS (from a zombie game) is saying that zombie games are washed up.
He didn't really ever say zombie games were washed up. He said with the amount of really good zombie games already out that have established fan bases it wont be easy for a brand new untested zombie game to come out with a price tag thats very big since you'd have to buy a new console to get it. The mature and gritty realism is great, but it's really the only mature thing in the lineup that I've seen so far.
The question would then be: Would someone pay 350 dollars for ZombieU?
You aren't paying $350 for Zombie U. No one buys a console with just 1 game in mind. Nintendo has a more than promising line-up and the updated tech to support it. THe gamepad may not be for everyone but it does seem to lend more immersion into gameplay opposed to the typical controller in hand. Zombie U seems to have newer elements not seen in previous titles (from what I've read and seen). Lets not forget that even though they aren't exclusives the Wii U will have third party games with a unique twist thanks to the gamepad. I'm not jumping to get Zombie U at launch like I am for Darksiders II but it will make it's way into my collection.
@Frib on Fire; I was mistaken when I said STARS said zombie games are washed up, I was referring to your comment about the vast selection of zombie games out there. And you are right. But there are also tons of FPS out there, hero games, movie based games, lego games, etc. But it is about quality not quantity that I am concerned with. But with that said your concerns are valid. Am I worried that this game will suck and not be that good? I am always with any game no matter the title. And no I am not buying the Wii U for one game, but rather the hope that this will be the first of many titles to come out on this system that are not only new IPs but rather more adult. I grew up on Nintendo and while I didnt play my Wii for over a year til Skyward Sword came out, I do not regret buying it. Its all potential as it always is. And why I am so excited about this game is the fact that when I first saw the E3 trailer I felt as a kid again because it finally felt that Nintendo was back on track. It is the attempts toward the goal that count, if achieved then victory, and if failed, attempt again.
@Frib on Fire uh...isn't most of the games are copies of other games? I also agreed with RezidentHazard (rides again), Don't judge on a game till you play it for yourself.
Let's start with the pointless post.
... This whole thing was created to judge the game and how excited people are for it... The very first thing is ResidentHazard judging the game!
Now on to the more sane point. The worry for this game should be way less then the worry for the system. The game looks good. Though, again I wouldn't say it does anything really new, it does all the old things right. The only reason that this game for me is a definite no buy is because of the whole no story or ending just a highscore thing. I can't put significant time into arcade style. But there are plenty of people who might, and I've yet to hear any real details on online components but I'm guessing there will be some sort of leaderboards to compare to friends with.
It just cracks me up that Nintendos flaw, to me, is that their games, for the most part, continue to be very old school instead of evolving to join the rest of the gaming world. Nintendo's core games are a big serving of family friendly 2D platformers. And then they bring out a new system and say they are making a big push into the modern realm and show off a new adult zombie bloody FPS game that ubisoft is making just to show off what the system can be, while nintendo continues to make the same things they always make.... and then tell me it's old school with one life and no story and hard and highscores. Even when Nintendo doesn't make this game it ends up with a nintendo spin which is disappointing to me.