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Were you using the "new" Xbox 360's? If so, they shouldn't show the RROD even if it wanted to because Microsoft eliminated all of the red LEDs from the system's internal make-up.

Other than that, I think Microsoft is now on the right track about how to manage their hardware. (well, at least of now)

Could be a whole different ballgame with the next generation.

Not sure where you are getting your info from as far as a lack of a red led on the new console, because my power button on my new 360 Slim did light up red.

That sucks for you man. I've had my Xbox since the beginning of 2010 and nothing has happened to it yet (knock on wood haha). I guess I'm lucky.

I hope the next-gen Xbox has a better failure rate. I'll probably wait until all the new systems come out and buy the one with the least amount of problems.

I've also had a few experiences with the RRoD, and its really annoying.  That being said, we have to realize how many tiny pieces of technology they're stuffing inside such a small case.  Its not an excuse, of course.  But MS has been VERY gracious about repairing or replacing free of charge any 360 that fails, which has cost them a lot.  Again, not making excuses, but they've tried to make their problems right.  As far as the next Xbox, I don't think it will have nearly as many problems.  Even with even more stuffed into that tiny case (16 core cpu rumored by devs!!), I think it will be better cooled and produced.  Just my 2 cents.

Here's my info.

reviews.cnet.com/8301-21539_7-20008087-10391702.html

Well here's one. Not exactly what happened to mine. Mine went straight to red.

There are a ton of videos on YouTube of failing 360 s consoles failing.

As a response to everyone having a the issue with the RRoD. The biggest problem why people have that issue is because they do not have an intercooler to extract heat during long periods of game play. Also they keep the console near a wall or in a closed in space that traps in heat causing problems. Also even though the console is able to stand upwards. That too causes issues. I my self have had only one 360. its the 120GB elite black 360 for over 3 yrs and never had single issue. I also have an intercooler attached to it and its in an open area to keep cool.

As for my PS3 it runs slower than my 360. I have the 320 GB edition, that was bundled with Uncharted 3. And its the slowest thing ever. The PSN network takes twice as long to download updates compared to the 360. I still enjoy my PS3. Just not as much as my 360 and PC.

I feel bad for people who experienced the RRoD. Although a majority of time. People don't know how to properly take care of their equipement. One problem people do is they touch the bottom of the disc with their fingers or they rub the disc on their shirt (causes more damage the good). It will scratch the disc with micro scratches and actually puts dust on it. Which will transfer to the laser inside the system. This is another cause of the RRoD. I work at the local Gaming repair shop that actually repairs consoles. We find out that people also don't keep their games in the case when not in use. That builds up so much dust and once you wipe off the dust that will scratch the disc. If you do not properly dust off the disc (100% cloth, not your shirt even its 100%, it still has you body oils on your shirt) that will cause problems for the laser. I have repaired hundreds of 360s and PS3s by just replacing the optical drive and the old ones have oil and dust all over them because people cant take care of their discs

Another issue is people refuse to install their games to the HDD. Wich will cause the optical drive to heat up from having to spin at full speed or long periods of time. Installing the disc will slow down the RPM of the optical drive, and not use the ram chip as much. Also requires half the processing power because the optical drive is not having to read the disc at max RPM non stop for hours. Key thing to remember. The quieter you 360 or ps3 is running the better its performing.

Heres the best ways to make sure your 360 lasts for a long time.

1. always install the games. If you have a 4GB 360. Then you need to upgrade. your causing the problem by not having the ability to install games.

2. make sure you have an intercooler attached to extract the heat from the console. which keeps the mother board, HDD, video card, etc cooler.

3. do not have the system in an upright position. This puts strain on the optical drive because the disc is not perfectly center and can easily title if any form of shaking occurs near the console.

4. Take a break shut down the 360 after about 4 hrs of game play. the heat even with an intercooler attached will cause problems.

5. keep the vents of the 360 clear from any surfaces. have about 2 feet of open air around the console at all times. If you have a mini fan like a desk fan. Have that pointing at the console to circulate the air around the console.

6. do not have the Brick (power supply) near the console. the heat from the brick on top of the heat from the console can fry the HDD.

all these tips apply for the PS3.

As for the next console. I think it has a chance of failure. Especially if the rumors reported on shacknews.com their podcasts too, game informer podcasts, and joystiq.com

If microsoft goes the route of not allowing used games, or everything being digital only. That is suicide. Because the national average of gamers in the US who do not have internet or at least high speed internet is over 30%. Thats too much of a loss. This is rumors that is also being said for the PS4.

I did have an Intercooler installed on both my launch console and the Elite that followed. I did not have one on the 360 s. That being said, we shouldn't have to rely on third party cooling solutions for any console.

PCs have a cooling system. To the point of liquid nitrogen to cool down the system. Consoles are not special. They too need a cooling system. The small fan thats installed does not extract enough heat. not even on the newest 360s. If you know anything about computer hardware. This concept is common knowledge. A cool system perfoms much better and losts 10xs longer. I also dont see the problem why people will refuse to purchase a $15 intercooler when they purchase so many $60 video games. a single $15 purchase will save hundreds of dollars in future replacement consoles or repairs caused by the lack of simple intelligence.

You're not honestly comparing a PC to a console. I know the purpose of an auxiliary cooling system on a PC. That would only be needed if the CPU were overclocked by the owner.

I wasn't comparing them. I was just saying that they are both built with the exact same hardware. the difference is the operating system. All the hardware in the 360 can b found in older models of gaming pcs. I myself have been able able to mod a 360 (not used online) to dual boot with a windows operating system. The only way that was possible is because the hardware is the same. When the hardware is the exact same they operate (referring over heat) the same.  

I have a Cisco System Administration Certification. Trust me they over heat the exact same. The best way to prevent them from over heating is with an intercooler. And if you really good with modding. You can add a liquid cooling system to the 360. in the good thing is that this does not violate the terms of use because this does not give me an advantage for any gameplay. it just optimization. 

The point GigaTexan was making is that we shouldn't NEED to buy extra hardware for a console.  The very reason I buy consoles is so I don't have to buy new hardware for it.  Whats next memory upgrades?  CPU?  GPU?  Might as well just get a new PC and upgrade it once a year or so.  

This thread has veered off course. The point of this thread was the reliability of the next Xbox. I think anyone that reads this thread will agree the last launch bombed.