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insist? um, no since this is a much more lighthearted thread than I'm used to arguing on I'll be blunt: the film attempted to create a layer of depth that already existed in the batman universe, if Christopher Nolan wouldn't *** interpret everything his way and stop to *** understand the characters and ***!!!!! I just ugh, let me be more blunt the FILM attempted to add poetry, philosophy, and retarded character traits to something that really didn't need them, I'm all for adding depth to something when it comes to comic book related things, but are really supposed to believe the Joker took some kind of Poetry/Philosophy class at the community college? if you just watch the movie, and I mean like pay really close attention, it makes no sense, theres no motivation behind anyones actions in the movie, it's like the phantom menace with batman, good overall but just stupid when looked at closer. I also find it hard to believe the joker is capable of his many exploits, I mean really, he'd have to be *** superman to pull off half the *** he does in that movie, or at least a ghost, at least in the comics he had joker venom, which tells us he's got expertise in engineering, which would mean he's an intelligent guy, in the dark knight we get a crazy guy who wanders around shooting people and making bizarre speeches about his being an agent of chaos, um, WTF

Insisting upon itself is a joke from Family Guy re: the reason Peter doesn't like (and didn't finish watching) the Godfather.

I liked The Dark Night pretty well, but it wasn't my favorite movie, even for the year it came out. I think anything is an improvement over the handling of Bats in film after the first Keaton flick (even his later one was crap IMO).

Probably the best Joker (outside of some of the comic book story arcs) is any of the darker versions voiced by Mark Hamill- the one in the Arkham Asylum game was quite good. Also just the look of that Joker I find preferable (which is one reason why Nicholson worked well: he had the same hair and smile pretty much).

As far as the deeper considerations, I can see some of that stuff, but that's not what I was looking for/at in a Batman flick. I guess I may have been more critical if I were a bigger Batman fan (not that I dislike him, he's actually one of the only DC characters I like in the main stable/universe- though I like several of the Vertigo books quite a bit).

I grew up with Batman, I was a little kid when the animated series was out and his popularity was at a high, so I take it kind of personally when someone goes mucking about with my fond memories, and really, the Joker doesn't really make for a valid threat in the dark knight, I mean he's pretty much just some crazy guy with no notable strengths, at least in most of his other incarnations he has the arsenal of deadly weapons, I mean even if he just had the Joker Venom I would have been happy

Well look at it this way the whole purpose of the Joker is that he is crazy, however he was once noteably a smart guy he just decended into maddness, i mean have in all honesty he isnt trained to fight like batman thats why he has all the thugs and Harley, what makes him deadly as a villian is that he has resources hes unpredictable, and he has the smarts i mean in all honest the Riddler and Two- Face are just crazy people with no powers either, Pegunin doesnt have any real powers either, Id have to say the split of Batman villians with powers and without powers is 50/50

Yeah, and yet the Joker is somehow able to fight Batman to a standstill, as far as the character's concerned, there could have been at least 7 different ways to disarm the Joker when he came at him with a pipe. I mean, in the Dark Knight Returns (comic book) Batman is in his 50's and he's still able to easily take down one of two-faces thugs with one kick to the abdomen, and the guy had a gun! In the comics Batman has experience in every form of martial arts, if he wanted to he could snap someones arm clean off, so how is this highly trained man beaten to the ground by a lunatic who happens to know poetry? I know the training for Batman was changed in Batman Begins (which I will never watch, as it was Warner Brother's way of screwing over Frank Miller) but I'm still pretty sure that even with the element of surprise the Joker wouldn't have stood a chance

Also, hadn't Batman taken down an entire SWAT team with extreme efficiency seconds before?

thats is a good point

lol, so true.

I get the feeling the movie is too in love with itself to follow through with logic, but still promotes itself as "realistic"

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