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The Offensive Nature of Gaming Culture

Being blunt about issues is something that I pride myself on, to an extent, but when I began reading about the God Of War: Ascension "Bros Before Hos" trophyversy (see I'm clever). I instantly dug into the story to see exactly what the hub bub was for. What I read from Polygon was that the trophyversy starts after players viciously attack one of the Furies, the primary atagonists, in the latest game. Once you complete the little scene, which I'm including right here right now you achieve the "misogynistic" trophy.

MINOR SPOILERS (I haven't played the game but I don't think this ruins much)

So what we have here is another vicious fatality at the hands of Kratos, which thankfully he gets saved by Orkos who was bonded by the furies. In the scene Orkos chooses Kratos instead of the women who he was bound to, hence the title of the achievement. Is it "misogynistic" that really depends on your take on the scene, which to me I'd say it fits. What I find particularly hilarious in all of this recent feminism rise in gaming culture, is two fold:

1) It would seem that only gamers and those within the gaming community should be allowed to comment on any controversial content in gaming.

2) Why the sudden rise, when games that are considered classic are given a free pass?

First and foremost it is somewhat unbearable for me to say, but we the gaming community are not the only people who can have an opinion on our hobby. There are many people in this world. When posed with outside groups commenting on the nature and content of games, it is highly unlikely that you will hear a gamer say "hey let's listen to them they don't really understand our culture but let's talk to them about it."

Rather as PETA and some politicians have found, and received nasty letters from some of us, we don't want any kind of outsider poking their nose in our business. This is the gaming community, and quite frankly if you don't like it well "nah nah nah boo boo stick your head in doo doo." Or you have something like this scene from the 1934 film Freaks.

While we tell everyone "hey look this is our thing just butt out," we then say "hey guys look how mature we are, we're self supporting, and we can handle our own issues." Unless of course you dissent with the majority of the community, and of course if there's a "moral" high ground to be at stake than hopefully most think you're right. I'm not bitter, my morality really isn't cloudy, I wouldn't call a woman a ho or anything like that. Perhaps with a few friends I'd say something along those lines, but outside of that I'd never say anything like this.

It's inappropriate to name a Trophy this phrase, but it isn't immoral or somehow misogynistic given the meaning of the phrase in common culture. Especially given the circumstances behind the scene and trophy, hence where we then divulge into whether content or title should be held accountable or as offensive.

While Duke Nukem Forever certainly wasn't received all that pleasantly when it released, many a gamer had a fine time flashing wads of cash at pixelated strippers to see what the Duke had to say. It was pretty offensive, but the original Duke was kind of like your 10 year old son, he had a rough life, you were busy working 2 jobs, didn't really pay him any mind, let him run free, and one day he discovered girls and wanted a peek at the lady bits. Normal 10 year old stuff. Of course then GTA came out and the third entry sky rocketed the series into popularity, and we could run over 3D models of prostitutes in our cars after they provided a few health upgrades, usually in the back of an alley, but that's just business.

We also had Dead or Alive and wow were the physics amazing, again it was cool until it got to be too too much, I mean geez boobs don't bounce like that nor are they that big, let's make women more realistic guys. I mean seriously this is a male dominated industry. Kim Swift didn't just make Portal a guy had to hold her hand, and than that evil Valve corporation took all her hard earned money.

Morgan Webb, Kimberly Wallace, Annette Gonzalez, Alexa Ray Corriea, and Kat Bailey were all held back from journalist jobs because of those horrible pig men. I mean this industry is just filled with sexism, nothing but a big ole sausage party when I think about all the male journalists around. Never mind all those male developers and male gamers, just pushing those females down and down further and further. Gosh it must be difficult to get your voice heard as a female gamer.

We get it women like to play games just as much as guys do, I support it in fact. I've been known to throw out a few alerts to Infinity Ward and Treyarch because guys in lobbies where a girl joins up act like drunken frat guys. I respect women I do, I respect all races, creed, gender, orientation, nationality, etc etc. But what I don't tolerate is that somehow the industry has turned into this giant sexist pig fest.

In essence it is a boy's club, was that way for sometime, still in essence being a girl gamer has quite a few stigmas attached to it, which is honestly awesome that I still see reactions from my fellow men when a girl announces she played through Gears of War or God of War without the aid of her boyfriend.  So sure ladies stick up for yourself, but if you're going to sit there and say that the title is offensive why not point out all the other things that are offensive towards women about that game.

Thankfully some people seem reasonable about this. A title shouldn't affect the way we look at a Trophy or game. If that was the case where was this big out roar over The Ballad of Gay Tony why did it have to be "gay" why couldn't he be "Homosexual" Tony. If we're going to comment on titles well I mean Brutal Legend isn't all that "brutal" and Jack Black is a pretty big jerk to women in that as well. But at least it isn't in the title, just don't rub your face in it, and it's alright. In the end that is all this stupid trophyversy is about, a stupid title to a trophy that has no bearing on anything other than the fact that after you defeat one of the main antagonists in the game, and are saved by a bro bound to one of those women, and get a Trophy that was titled after a fairly common saying amongst guy friends.

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  • People just get offended way too easy. It's a trophy name, that's all, but people wanna whine and complain about everything. It shouldn't be a big deal at all.
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    The fact that this misogynistic phrase is a "common saying" amongst guy friends is clearly why it's problematic. I'm glad you saw both sides of the situation in your argument; as numerous posters in the article have displayed by using sexist phrases to refer to those in support of the change, critical thinking doesn't seem to be as widespread in the gaming community as it should be.
  • Great blog. I've said all I really care to about the "trophyversy" and I think you summed up many good points in your blog and did it in a intelligent and respectful manner. Gold star for you. :)

  • I've seen that in CoD. I know some female gamers, and the gaming industry isn't quite the kindest place to them. Another thing is how some games, like Duke Nukem, & Dead or Alive portray women. Not only does it look kinda stupid, it's ridiculous. As for the trophy name, I don't think it was the worst thing. They didn't mean it like an insult to women or anything. I'm also surprised so many women were held back from gaming journalism because of gender. That's just sad. Hopefully the future holds change in gaming.

  • I was one of the first people to write about this subject. It was my latest blog and it was also featured on the front page of VentureBeat (you'll find a link to that on my profile page status). On the latter I was absolutely slammed by people in the comments. They were really disheartening comments but I received loads of support on Twitter shares of the article. All I have to say about the title of Ascension's trophy, which I was overjoyed to hear was changed, is all in that article and I stand by it 100%.

    Orochisima is right, the problem with that the misogynistic phrase IS common place in society.

    Regarding your examples, I wouldn't say that we give classic games a free pass. We recognize their flaws and acknowledge that they came from a different time and place, in Duke Nukem's defense. About GTA games, this is regarding context and so it is justified in a tonal context to be able to run over bookers and things similar to that nature because the games are a parody and hyperreality of American culture that, if analyzed critically is not supposed to be taken seriously. As for DOA, people have been calling bull on those breast physics and some of the games like Beach Volleyball 2 and PSP version for quite a while now.

    And for the last time, it wasn't the content of the game in Ascension that was offensive, it was the immaturity and childishness of the trophy title that was out of place and context in the game, as I explain in my article.
  • Quality blog!

    I find the position of those who find offense with the trophy to be hilarious:

    "LOOK HOW TOLERANT AND ACCEPTING WE ARE NO SIR YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT IN YOUR VIDEOGAMES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE TOLERANT AND ACCEPTING YOU SEE."

    Of course, as you stated, said people certainly wouldn't have been among those telling the politicians to keep away from their violent videogames! No. Can't have hypocrisy, it's the only other sin of progressive society besides being an intolerant ol' meanie!

    Though if one of our enlightened, wise, compassionate, worldly trendy-Lefty friends on this site could explain, how is the phrase "bros before hos" misogynistic? Are you saying that cultural or social inclusivity, or, in this case, exclusivity, is a trait of lesser beings? That the act of exclusion itself is harmful, and does not bode well for the character of an individual, speaking of prejudices and harm committed against that group which is excluded?

    Really now?

    Surely you don't exclude mud-flap truckin', country-rockin', good ol' boys from you social circles and community organizing, do you?

    DO YOU?

    Because that certainly wouldn't be enlightenedwisecompassionateworldy to exclude persons of differing sex/age/gender/race/creed/socio-economic status/political affiliation/social awareness/sexual orientation/sweetbabyJesusdon'tbesomebodywhobelievesinsweetbabyJesus from thy all-inclusive, all-loving embrace, correct?

    Surely the halos of your sainthood shimmer with nothing less than the rainbow aura of perfect diversity ?.....

  • And since when has sexism in games ever been a secret (not that I approve)
  • I'll point everyone here to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6p5AZp7r_Q

    Subscribe to the channel. This is just part 1 of a long look at the history of video games in relation to gaming tropes involving women.
  • Not sure what to think about the whole situation. But I would never want something to be deemed as degrading to my wife, my female students, or my daughters if I ever had any. I want them to play a game and enjoy it the same way I do.

  • I agree with you TOGnick one hundred percent. Equality should be for everyone regardless of gender. I know all to well how things are in society and not just in gaming, but hopefully in time things will change for the better. Thank you for writting this blog.

  • I find this whole issue to be silly. I think gamers and society in general need to stop being so sensitive about things. I mean people say raunchy things in movies and music all the time why not take up a banner for those mocked and put down by films?

    I mean the National lampoon series has become nothing but filth churning out movies at a adult industry pace featuring bikini girls on the front and double entendre titles.

    I think we are in for a long road with this however due to increased public awareness that yes girls actually do play video games. Not that I ever thought I would find myself agreeing with Dashing Rock Man on too many things but he has this issue right. Especially with his push to call out the hypocrisy of taking offense with this when everyone of us goes through our day making insensitive remarks or holding some prejudice for what ever reason.

    How many of you have laughed at the people of Wal-mart and said mean things about them? I mean even the ones that are just goth people or clubbers dressed up wouldn't rank high on your list of people to date or hang out with so...

    I didn't say it is right to do those things or to let them slide, but dollars speak louder than hash tags if you don't like it don't buy it. I remember the first god of war starting out with a BANG (literally) with Kratos showing 2 ladies the power of Olympus where was the call on being insensitive then? It is better and more noble to work on fixing yourself than being false and trying to fix the world for show.
  • People seem to feel that it's okay to make everything about them and what offends them, while at the same time, believing that everyone else needs to comply. That's not how the world works, and all of this coddling isn't doing anyone any favors. Get over it, people...for the sake of future generations, if not your own.

    “It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f'ing what.” ― Stephen Fry
  • @the_DASHing_Rockman:

    "Considering that is all you have done, by stating that you are either incredibly dense or a troll." Again, I'm not the one making baseless claims, so I have nothing to back up. The burden - again - is on you to prove your points, not on others to disprove.

    "Which is why I presented a methodology based upon viewing objective, documented behavior of gaming “journalists” and internet commentators." You're confusing objective with subjective, as what you consider liberal behavior may not match anyone else's definition.

    "(which, as you have shown, using logic to argue with some people IS impossible)." If you start using logic, I'll be glad to discuss further with you.

    "The burden of refuting proof is all yours, yes." And, just like that, you destroy your own credibility. What you offered isn't proof, so it can't be refuted.

    "What you find “divisive language” is simply an accurate representation of the nature of those who I am discussing..." again, everything you state is based on your definition of what "liberal behavior" is.

    ""Based upon my own opinion?” No, part of what I am saying is that the opinions of the vast majority" I'm going to stop you right there. You can't possibly know why people express the opinions they do, nor their political beliefs. Almost every comment I responded to last week claimed to speak on behalf of "the majority" of gamers, and yet no one could offer up the slightest shred of proof.

    "To wit, you have ignored my evidence" what you provided is opinion, not evidence.

    "You conflate logic and evidence with opinion" coming from the one implying others would "exclude good ol' boys from social circles."

    “You may feel it's self-evident; I don't. Hence why I don't consider what you've said so far proof of anything.”

    Now, starting from my original post in this blog, here is what you have so far declined to refute:


    "Surely the vast, vast majority of those who are liberal, and find fault with the trophy... do not exclude, for example, people of differing socio-political viewpoints, social backgrounds, or theological views from their own social / cultural activities?" This behavior is hardly limited to people of a specific political leaning.

    "Surely, they themselves are perfect of having never cast derogatory language or descriptive words / titles at those who do not share their socio-political views, socio-economic background, or theological leanings?" Obviously not. No one's perfect. And again, hypocrisy is hardly limited to one side here.

    "You have not refuted how the phrase itself, an admonishment to maintain solidarity with ones' friends over an ephemeral dalliance, or to maintain solidarity with ones' males friends when the dynamics of the group relationship are put to the test by an outsider destructive influence, is not misogynistic at all." The term whore is derogatory; it's not the male solidarity of the phrase that people are complaining about.

    "4. You have not refuted how Leftist political ideology uses sex and gender to seek to alter law, business, goods, and society." Both parties do this, so it's a moot point.

    "it is upon you to prove that the reason Sony changed the trophy" hardly. If you need a reason, reach out to Sony.

    "You have not addressed the categorical error made... in every post you made after I wrote that you somehow managed to avoid doing just that!" Again, male solidarity is not the part of the phrase in question here.

    "You did not address how your constant straw-man arguments that I am “dividing” the community" You have yet to prove how anything I said is a straw man argument. Once again, I called your language divisie considering you seem to be intent on framing the issue along political lines, or implying certain behavior is limited to one political ideology.

    "You did not refute the examples of the political affiliation of most gaming “journalists”" Again, this is hardly proof of "affiliation."

    "You did not refute how site-users of GIO advocated traditional liberal views... If you want to state that the methodology is infeasible, you have to prove it. Yes, you. You have done nothing but find fault with how there is burden of proof and logic (and refuting my proof and logic) that is incumbent upon you." I've done nothing but find fault in logic because you use nothing but faulty logic. You have yet to explain what "traditional liberal behavior" means to you, yet you expect people to disprove your statement.

    "Or, to put it in other words: Brah, you and your straw-men just got demolished by a truth-quake." This may be the funniest thing I've read all week. I can't fathom the level of inscurity it takes to offer opinon as fact on the internet, insist that it's on others to do all the research, and then declare yourself the winner. Bravo.

    "and limiting diversity amongst gaming “journalists”," How, in any way, does anyone have control over the diversity of video game journalists?

    "the public voice for all gamers is a shrill, ideologically-driven tintinnabulation which obfuscates opposing views and does not reflect the variety of beliefs and nuance held by those who partake in playing, creating, or commenting on videogames, the industry, and their socio-cultural relevancy." Particularly fitting given the 200+ comments calling people easily offended pussies.

    "It is the games and industry which are altered to appease the demands of this particular group of gamers." Are games suffering by catering to a changing demographic? Again, it's probably just a good business model.

    "As a community, we should not let debate, and the industry, be subject to the illogical and irrational and indefensible sensibilities of the easily offended." And closes it all out by returning to the usual 'people are too easily offended' excuse. Way to bring it full circle, mate.
  • Can someone enlighten me as to how Kim Wallace, Anette Gonzales, and the other female gaming journalists mentioned were held back? I assume GI isn't the issue seeing as how both those girls were hired here and did just fine, Kim seems to be a perfectly welcome addition to the bunch. Were there interviews or something where they all outed other publications for discriminating against them because of gender?