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Gaming and Relationships: You Do NOT Need To Love All Of The Same Things to Love Each Other

Author Note: Ok, Internetz, I hope you enjoyed eating my first draft of this blog and that it was mighty tasty.  Either my original blog post is going to show up 50 years in the future or something, or it's gone for good, in which case, I submit this bit of writing for your reading pleasure.  Of course, just like the Greatest Song in the World, this is more of just a tribute- a tribute that kicks butt! ;)

This is what happens after you both play multiplayer on a school night.

If I had a dollar every time a gamer guy talked about wanting a gamer girlfriend, I'd be richer than Bill Gates.  There are multiple articles on the internet about how to get women to start playing games with you (although chances are, even if she does not identify as a gamer, she probably does play games, they're just more likely to be "casual" games or social games).  And at the risk of permanently wilting your joysticks, I want to make a couple of things clear- most of those articles are crap.  If you love something and you want someone you're in love with to love it the same amount that you do with the same, licensed-underpants-wearing devotion, you're probably not going to succeed unless she's already to that point herself.  So, without further ado, I'm going to talk a bit about how to healthily deal with differences in what people like in a relationship, especially when it comes to gaming, and how to not totally drive each other crazy in the meantime.

1) Chances are, if your girlfriend/wife/significant other is not "into gaming," she's dealt with gender discrimination and significant roadblocks when she tried to play.

Everything from "backseat gaming" (when someone else lets you hold the controller but then keeps telling you what to do or shouting at you if you make mistakes), to brothers hogging video game systems during childhood, keeping her from playing even if she wanted to, can lead to a woman who grows up basically thinking that gaming is "not for her."  Either it's the pressure of being expected to be good immediately, or it's the sheer disbelief that "girls can play games" (yes, even today, this bias exists), and in some cases, it can get equal parts creepy, frightening and outright dangerous.

Take, for example, this article on Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/5782957/im-an-anonymous-woman-gamer

In it, women talk about how it is very hard to play video games while also being identified as female to others.  Many people automatically assume you're male on the internet, even if you play as a female character, and when that worldview is challenged, many male players become angry and offensive- suddenly gendered slurs are flying out all over the place.  A bunch of female gamers even created a website called "Fat Ugly or ***" to document a lot of the female-oriented slurs and attacks that are lobbed at female gamers simply for "outing" themselves as such: http://fatuglyorslutty.com/

Fortunately, not all males (or gamers) are noxious jerkwads, but the fact remains- if you call yourself a gamer, people pigeonhole you, and they will often start asking questions about your gaming habits to try an assess if you are a "real" gamer in their eyes.  If you love playing Pokemon or are an avid Farmville player, there are people out there who turn up their elitist noses and proclaim that only people who play Mass Effect can be "real" gamers.  There are people who don't think that handheld gaming is "real" gaming- and stil more who think that puzzle games or casual games are "real" video games at all, because they don't involve guns that shoot things and lots of high- resolution CG.

2) Gaming together can be fun...if you choose the right game and you're both good sports about it.

Do you throw the controller across the room when you lose?  If so, then gaming together is probably a big no-no (unless you're both playing separate games in the same room, that is).  One of the biggest problems that couples run into while gaming together is the competition factor- if one or both people are highly into winning, the frustration of losing can lead to an all-out fight, and sometimes even eventually lead to break-ups.  The other problem is that most of the time, the idea of gaming together is one person's idea, and the game being chosen is one that the person who suggested the game is very familiar with.  

For example, when I was a kid, I would go next door and play Tekken Tag Team with my friend Spen.  He had the PS2, so I always had to play whatever he was playing.  The thing is, he could spend HOURS playing the game, while my only experience was when I came over to play against him.  So surprise, surprise, every time I fought against him, I generally tended to have my butt handed to me because he was very good at playing the game.  Now, it was often less of a stinging defeat if our mutual friends Jeff and Ryan were around because we'd all take turns and they were more evenly matched with me (because we all did not have PS2 systems).  Of course, there were a handful of times when I did beat Spen, and those victories were even sweeter considering that I have always been more of a button masher when it comes to fighters and with my lack of practice in the game, his mouth would practically hang down to the floor with disbelief (and that made me laugh like crazy).

"Just because I'm shorter than you doesn't mean I won't kick your butt any harder at the new Street Fighter!"

Now, luckily for me, I wasn't in an actual relationship with any of these people.  It's a big difference when you're joking around with friends.  When you're in a relationship, especially one in which the horizontal tango and plenty of kissing is involved, even playful banter can dissolve into petty "fine, no nookie tonight" kinds of sniping if someone hates losing or is vastly out-performed in the game.  I've seen plenty of women pick up a controller for the first time, get knocked into oblivion by some guy who obviously has played the game for weeks on end, and then set down the controller and make some comment about it not being "fun."  Well DUH.  Of course it's not fun if you're always being killed off by someone who knows all of the ins and outs of the game!  Most of us have memories from childhood where someone did that to us and it doesn't feel good at all.  Now imagine that it happens to you every time you pick up a game at someone else's (normally a guy) request?  Yeah.  I thought so.  You probably wouldn't be nearly as interested in it if you thought you were always going to be a loser.

3) Obsession makes people creepy- especially if they want to force that obsession on you as well.

We all have certain hobbies and talents that we hold close to our hearts.  Some people love fixing up cars- they know literally everything about them (my father, for example, who is awesome).  Other people love cooking and can list off every single random kitchen accessory and what it does (my husband, for one- it's a passion for him).  And still others can give you the entire list of Mary Kay make up lines and the differences between Mascara #2 and Mascara #13.  Plus, there's people who have all sorts of random talents in between, from being able to sew to being able to do crazy theoretical math to being able to play musical instruments.  But just because you like to tear out motors and fix them up does not mean that your spouse similarly enjoys it.  And many of you might be bored about hearing all about the new spring colors in the Juicy Couture line, while others would be simply riveted.  

Chances are, we won't love everything the person we love does (and vice versa).  However, this does not mean that you can't  be happy together. For example, in my relationship with my husband, he tends to like games with a lot of guns and shooting in them.  For me, listening to the constant shooting and watching people's heads blow off just makes me exhausted after awhile.  I go into sensory overload and kind of shut down.  But I don't mind if he plays shooters with the sound off (or with headphones on) and I simply avert my eyes if I don't wat to see heads flying off with the shrapnel as long as he's not insisting that I play it with him (and he is generally understanding enough not to do so).  

But on the other hand, *I* tend to be a big fan of horror films, especially zombie flicks.   Meta-based zombie movies are my favorite (Shaun of the Dead, Zombieland, etc), but my husband has SEVERE ZOMBIE PHOBIA.  Seriously.  The only Resident Evil games he'll play are the ones that involve the parasites because he can't deal with the actual undead.  I sort of forced him to go see Zombieland with me (because hell, I wanted someone to talk about the movie with afterwards, and he agreed to go with me), but he ended up having nightmares about it for weeks afterwards.  I felt bad about pressuring him to go.  So now, when a zombie movie comes out that I really want to see, I find someone who likes Zed flicks and take that person instead.  Or I just wait until he's gone to sleep and watch it on Netflix (note: "Aaaah! Zombies!" is hilarious!)  It doesn't kill me all that much to not watch stuff that I know he doesn't like without him even though I think it might be more fun if he was into that sort of thing.  Still, I think it all comes down to respecting boundaries and really understanding exactly where your partner is regarding their dislike of something, be it gaming, movies, thematic elements, etc.

4) Remember, real love isn't about how similar you are, it's about how both of you work together.

Some people say that you should have a lot of similar interests in order for a relationship to last, but the truth of the matter is that differences can be great.  Having different hobbies and bringing different skills to a relationship can make it truly special and dynamic- and it can keep the boredom from setting in.  While the main reasons for strife in a relationship tend to be differences in core values (religion, politics, financial habits, familial priorities, etc), gaming, music tastes and other such things don't really have to be deal breakers.  Of course, if you're into heavy metal and your girlfriend is mainly into dance-pop, that can sometimes spell trouble, especially if you both can't stand the other person's music, but very rarely do people who prefer a certain type of music absolutely HATE different kinds.

Obviously, there is wiggle room here.  When it comes to gaming, if you expect your spouse or relationship partner to be second banana to your WoW time, they had better be ok with it, or it will cause problems.  Of course, outside of that, most people don't care WHAT you play if it's not otherwise causing problems (ie: spending tons of time apart).  The bottom line, however, is that when it comes down to it, your girlfriend can enjoy the games she likes and you can enjoy the things that you like and it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive or all-or-nothing.  The most important thing here is communication.  99% of the time, the gaming is not the problem- it's usually indicative of someone not really pulling their weight in the relationship and being thoughtless or taking the other person for granted.  Believe me when I say that the last thing you want to do is have a fight about your XBOX360 that isn't ACTUALLY about your XBOX360 that culminates in said XBOX being thrown out a second story window in the heat of the moment.  Bottom line?  Find out the REAL source of the problem and do your best to come to a solution about it together.  Oh, and listening- listening is super important and that goes for BOTH parties.

5) Talk about your gaming exploits (but be sure to fill us in on important details)!

My husband, to be sure, is a huge console gamer.  Roughly 99% of the games for our XBOX 360 are ones that he bought and played himself.  There are obviously titles that I enjoy playing as well (Beautiful Katamari and Ilo Milo, for example), but generally, he plays the lion's share.  Of course we often have long conversations about various things going on in our lives, as people often do, and one of the things that he enjoys telling me about are the various things that happened in-game for him that he is really excited about.

"BACK IN MY DAY, WE ONLY HAD ONE CHARACTER NAMED 'PLAYER 1' WHO WE HAD TO WALK UPHILL IN THE SNOW BOTH WAYS TO PLAY AS AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY!"

Now, don't get me wrong, I love hearing about the story (I've actually gone out of my way to watch him play through several games that I enjoyed for just that reason, but have not actually played myself- such as Bioshock and Arkham Asylum) but if I haven't watched him play it or know much about the game other than the basic sound byes from the internet and various trailers, I am going to get confused really quickly, especially if there are references to "thingies" and "whatchamacallits".   Talking about your gaming experiences is cool and fun but make sure to tell it in an interesting manner so that the person listening does not get totally confused or bored and just tune you out.  I often have this problem when I'm playing Pokemon- I can't seem to remember all of the newest Pokemon names.  So I'll come up with ridiculous (but somewhat appropriate, considering what they look like) nicknames for them that will TOTALLY CONFUSE PEOPLE when I talk about them.  When I'm talking about gaming, I must gauge exactly how much about said game the person I am talking to actually understands or is familiar with.  Then from there, I can explain or add extra bits of information to fill in the blanks.  

Because I am a gamer and I enjoy reading about a variety of games (and we have Game Informer Magazine as well as Nintendo Power), I tend to be pretty knowledgable about the basic premises behind games that my husband likes to play).  But my husband's mom is often downright clueless and my brother, while into gaming, is more of a COD/ Modern Warfare FPS fanboy and pretty much nothing else.  So it pays to keep in mind the audience before going into a tirade about how someone blew up your tank and how pissed off you were about it.

6) Don't make us feel stupid/patronize us.

Going hand in hand with some of the points above, the biggest thing to take away from having a relationship with someone who may or may not be a gamer boils down to basic respect.  Treating a girlfriend like a child or an idiot is just going to make her feel like you don't respect her, and really, you probably don't if you have to pat her on the head and tell her it's ok if she doesn't know which way to hold the controller before she's even touched the dang thing.  Things like backseat gaming, expecting her to become an expert in 5 seconds, and making her go along with things you like without paying attention to how she feels on the subject basically broadcasts that you don't care about what she thinks or how she feels on the subject and that you seem to expect that she just should just supplant her personality to whatever YOU want to do because obviously women are supposed to do this sort of thing and be happy about it or something.

I know it sounds strange, but even if you're attracted to someone, they're still a human being as well, and even if you've heard all the strange "women are from venus, men are from mars" hype in our culture, the truth is that most people aren't all that different from each other- they want to be cared for, listened to, respected, and treated as equals in mind and soul (note, this does not mean that they want to be treated like hive-minded Borg or anything like that- just to be cared about as an individual that goes beyond boobage).  I don't think that's too much to ask for, really, and honestly, if you're in doubt, turn it about- step into the opposite situation and imagine that you are being treated that way- how would you feel about it?  Chances are, if your behavior would make you feel like you were being silenced, marginalized and disrespected, you would tell people you didn't like gaming either.

Love can be sweet like watermelon, but it's also got seeds to deal with and whether you choke on them or work through them carefully is up to both of you.

Now, just to make sure that I'm not coming across as vilifying all gamers out there, I do want to let you know that I do not honestly think that all gamers (especially male gamers who want to introduce their girlfriends/spouses to their love of gaming) are jerks or just ignore how the other person feels.  However, I do think it is important to note that when you're really excited/into something, it can be hard to deal with the fact that not everyone else has that same enthusiasm, and it is often easy to just ASSUME that someone else DOES have the enthusiasm, they simply need to be CONVINCED that they, too, are totally in love with whatever it is that you love playing so much.

So, in conclusion, I must say, please don't wish for a "gamer" girlfriend or try and "turn" the person you're with over to your gamer ways.  Chances are, if she loves gaming, she won't have to be convinced, and even if you both enjoy different games, the most important part is that you're both having fun and that you both still enjoy one another's company and respect each other's differences, Farmville, FPS's and all.

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So, how have you dealt with differences in hobbies, especially gaming with spouses and/or relationship partners?

Have you ever had a fight with someone regarding your love of gaming?

If you are a male gamer, have you ever found yourself engaging in "back seat gaming" behaviors with less-experienced friends?  Do you still do this?

And finally, if you are a female gamer, have you ever experienced "gender based hazing" when you out yourself as female while gaming?

 

Comments
  • Excellent blog. I hear the herder calling. My wife and I used to game before we had children. Since then, I have been alone in my gaming experience. I must say, it is much more fun while enjoying it with someone you love. I was never a backseat gamer. If anything, I was the opposite. I lept my mouth shut until I was asked for help just to make sure it was wanted. A common quote from my wife would be "Are you just gonna sit there while your wife gets her ass kicked, you jerk?!" The answer is yes, yes I will. Ha! We have bickered since then though. My gaming habits have not changed over time. With the comilng of children, she believes that they sould have. I'm not a neglectful father; I'm usually holding the littlest one while gaming. Thank god for the wireless controller...
  • I have definatley been guilty of "backseat gaming" but I perfectly good excuse. My mum had decided to try to play Halo, she spent literally 10 minutes running around in circles looking at the ground.

    As for arguing with people about my love of gaming, I have to do this all the time, almost everyone in my family has no clue about gaming. And they are the type of people who think of the Columbine tragedy every time they hear the word "video game".

  • Funny thing is I have actually done this before. The last girl I was around a lot was into playing games but was extremely biased against certain games (CoD, WoW and such). It was really funny though when she would get into a game because honestly she would end up more obsessed with it than me occasionally. Especially if I was trying to help her out with something. Great blog Oni, hopefully this makes for a few less legitimately creepy guys out there.
  • I am kinda guilty of backseat gaming. I am a big fan of Final Fantasy, and watching my sister get crushed from the first few enemies was just a little bit painful. I stop after awhile, but I give them a basic tutorial if one is absent. I also find myself giving orders when my friends and I play Final Fantasy Tactics together. Basically, we all throw in our opinion and analyze it to see if it is a good move. It is a lot of fun, and it generally works out rather well.
  • What an interesting blog! I guess you can count "backseat gaming" if I am telling  my brother what to do in Uncharted.

  • I'm a girl gamer, and a few weeks ago, I was playing League of Legends with my friend. I know this guy in real life, so in the chat he refers to me by my real name. And this other guy on our team got so upset and told him that "his name is Marz." I can understand the confusion, it wasn't the first time this has happened, although most people realize that we must know each other in real life. What really irked me was when my friend told him that he knew me in real life, and I was, in fact, a girl, his response was "Is she hot?" Seriously, I may have been more focused on actually playing the game to bother getting into the conversation, but I was still reading the chat! I was right there. Of course, this distracted me so much I got killed, and the conversation was dropped. Also, I must confess to "backseat gaming" whenever I try to teach my mom to play. She likes to play old-school games like Galaga (which is one of the best games ever made, by the way) and she always watches me play Assassin's Creed, so I sometimes try to get her to play. But, can you really blame me for "backseat gaming" when she can't understand teh concept of dual analog sticks? If I don't tell her what to do she falls into a pit of acid half a dozen times on the first test chamber of Portal 2.
  • My girlfriend and I share common interests, but gaming was not one of them.  She likes to watch games being played like AC and such, but doesn't like to play them because "they're too difficult now".  I try and encourage her, but she gets fed up rather quickly.  So she can have her ipad games and I'll stick to my consoles; that ends up working out pretty good for us.  .....until we hit my slot car track, then she's super competitive, haha.

  • Oni, this is another excellent post from you. I've never understood the feeling that you *must* get your girlfriend/wife involved in gaming if it's a hobby that you enjoy. Why do they have to enjoy your hobby too?

    If they express interest in it, then sure. But the differences between people are sometimes even better than our similarities!

    My wife plays Big Fish games and Angry Birds. That's pretty much it. Because of the nature of where we live, however, she's exposed to all of my games because the only TV we have that is conducive to gaming is the one in the living room (thankfully, she doesn't like to watch much TV). So she gets to see and hear all of it while she's sitting at the computer (unless she goes into the bedroom to lie down).

    She's offered to be a 2nd person in some games (ones that aren't "twitchy" and require fast reflexes), but I never take her up on the offer. She's willing to do it so I'll have fun, but I know her well enough to know that she won't actually be having fun with it.

    I love this post.
  • My first girlfriend was a gamer and, being on this site it's pretty obvious I am as well(a major one at that), it was fun. Then I got my second girlfriend who was not a gamer and now I must say I prefer girls who actually don't really like gaming to casual gamers moreso. Also, Oni, speaking of girlfriends and relationships, I would very much like to ask you for some advice. If you could send me a message or reply comment, that would be very nice and I would be very appreciative.
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    Hahaha I love this blog. Once again Oni you impress. My issue is that, some girls will pretend they're really into games - which is expected as it people pretend to like stuff whether they're male or female in the beginning - but it's really misleading cause when you actually sit down one day to play they give you a look that one would give if you were speaking a foreign language. I love spending that "quality time" with that significant other in a relationship so it's kind of a letdown when you find out that they feigned interest in something. Sorry I rambled haha. Like I said though, excellent blog!
  • i got bord of reading (sry) but i can tell it was gunna b good
  • I discovered that someone has to be equally or greater obsessed with games as I am for a relationship to work. Yes having separate hobbies is good, but your core life values must be similar. For example if you have one person that wants to spend their life traveling the world, and one person that doesn't like going beyond their neighborhood, a relationship wouldn't really work. For me, gaming is a way of life, being a gamer is a way of life. I want to spend pretty much all my luxury money on games and game related things (upgrading my computer, etc.), and spend hours every day gaming. If my husband didn't agree with that, it wouldn't work; I couldn't manage to homeschool our kids, make enough to buy the stuff I want to buy, and still have time to play without him on board. We have to work together to make the time for both of us to play, and to allocate the money for both of us to play. He will sit there for hours playing a game I can only stand to play for 30 minutes, but I can understand that because I will sit there for hours playing a different game. I have dated guys that can't understand why I would want to play any game for 2+ hours instead of 1, and guys that can't understand why I would want to play anything for more than 20 minutes; when they have no ability to relate like that, the relationship can't work out (at least for me). I've had arguments with people regarding my love of gaming. One I can remember in particular, was a boyfriend that at first spent hours playing games online with me, then we moved in together, and he got upset that I spent hours playing games! I should have a life outside of games, he claimed, and I should think up outings for us other than the video game store. My response was that he knew going in that games were pretty much my life, and that he had claimed it was his too. This should have been a red flag that he wasn't honest about some other vital things too, which I found out later. Needless to say, that relationship didn't work out. There is no reason to "out yourself" when gaming, unless you WANT attention based on your gender - and in that case you are going to get more bad attention that good simply because you're being an attention whore. I'm not saying you have to pretend to be a male, but just don't mention it until/unless you start to become online friends with someone and start talking about your life outside of the game. Male gamers don't go around announcing they are male, so females don't need to go around announcing they are female either. Everyone is going to be made fun of for some reason, and if people figure out something that bothers you they will keep going on about it.
  • Oh, and I would not be put off of a game because I got pwned. Getting my butt kicked by my husband gives me incentive to keep practicing at the game until I can kick HIS butt! I certainly wouldn't withhold nookie because of that - or for any reason. Winning isn't what makes a game fun.
  • I'm aware of this problem, but it's never affected me personally because I've never had a game console where I could play and chat with potential female players. I did play games on Facebook and there were hundreds of female players on there that I played with, though; I never thought it was weird; it was a nice balance between males and females, since you made me bring this up. For further reference, I have also played games with my family and my sister is a more frequent player than my parents; I have a few games she likes to play. I don't tell her what to do; she just plays.

  • My fiancĂ©e doesn't play games as much as I do, but when she does play she gets really, really into them. Trying to yank her off the original Sonic, when she's gotten up to one of those tough water levels and keeps dying, is an exercise in frustration. I think the important thing to remember is that gaming is ahobby, and if you prioritize it ahead of your relationship then there's a problem.

  • My wife is a gamer, but I didn't know this about her when we started dating.  Although we mainly enjoy different types of games (she likes MMOs and I don't, while I like Action and FPS games and she doesn't), we have also found types of games that we both enjoy, such as RPGs. And she has tried and enjoyed some of my games (Bioshock) and I've been considering trying one of her games because it could be fun playing together.  Its good to try to show some interest in your significant other's hobbies.

    I'm finding myself more and more surprised with how many female gamers there are.  I remember as a kid, the female gamer was a rare sight, but times have changed.  I personally don't treat a female any differently on the internet then I would a guy.

    I'm glad that I have found a woman that enjoys gaming, because in my experience it can be hard being with someone who doesn't understand why we spend hours sitting in front of the TV/computer/handheld.

  • This was a really great read! You touched on a lot of excellent points, especially when talking to your significant other about video games and keeping it interesting.

  • How about a list of awesome games for couples who might be a little different but still want to work together?

    Mario/any Wii

    Donkey Kong Wii

    LOTR: War in the North

    Sacred 2: Fallen Angels

    Tales Franchise?

    Champions of Norath

    Is there a Resident Evil game that's 2 player couch co-op? any other serious/mature games? please expand on this list and send them to me!! My gf and I love spending time together and playing games but I am in desperate need of something other than a Teen rating but still fun for her!

  • So wait . . . you're a girl?

  • "Women, you can't live with them..."

    "Um, sir? Did you forget something?"

    "No, I didn't."  (Lol)

    I haven't got into a "relationship" yet, but these were some great tips when I do. I'll keep them in mind. Another great blog, Oni!

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