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Baldur's Gate II: Best RPG Ever



Would I lie to you? BioWare's 2000 magnum opus is still the best RPG of all time. I'll prove it. With science.

BG2 vs. Oblivion

It says something terrible that no matter how poorly Advanced Dungeons & Dragons was balanced (and the ruleset used in BG2 is hilariously imbalanced, with the inclusion of silly rules like monks and class kits), it pales in comparison to the mess that is Oblivion's system. In BG2 you have the freedom to create massively awesome parties by including whatever mix of the brilliantly written NPCs you wanted. Some combinations are better than others, and certain main character builds are borderline ridiculous (oh hi there, dual-class fighter-mage katana grandmaster!), but it's nigh impossible to gimp your group into unplayability if you pay any attention at all.

Meanwhile, in Oblivion, several advancement paths effectively send you backwards. Not leveling any Endurance-related skills? Have fun with the durability of a newborn kitten wrapped in wet paper towels! Picked Mercantile or Speechcraft as a major? Try not to talk to anyone, because while you get marginally better at a sub-game that nobody cares about, the monsters are out there pumping iron and finding better equipment to eviscerate you with. On the flip side, Oblivion is stupidly easy to break to the point where you're de facto invincible. Try stupid crap like that against a BG2 lich and see how far it gets you.

Furthermore, there are more than five faces on characters in BG2. And the women don't look like ugly men. And the dungeons are actually fun and full of neat side paths and alternate solutions, not filled with boring random monsters. But you get the point.



BG2 vs. Mass Effect

Well, for one thing, BG2 is an RPG with progression and equipment that actually matter and aren't vague nods to those games we used to play in ages past. For another, BG2 has fun, lighthearted bits in it and doesn't rely solely on testosterone-fueled WE HAVE TO SAVE THE GALAXY RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS DOOMED BUT SHEPARD IS THE UBERMENSCH HOORAY FASCISM. I dare you to find anything in Mass Effect or the sequel that's as flat-out amusing as Edwin's poorly researched work on the Nether Scroll (spoilers: He turns himself into a girl and is simultaneously upset and intrigued at his new…attributes). And while I lament the fact that you never get a chance to strap Jan and his unbearable turnip blather to a nuclear bomb, you do at least get to rat him out to the cops and go taunt him in his jail cell.

Do I even need to bring up combat? Because there's more to BG2 than "point gun, pull trigger." So that's a plus. You can summon up meat shields to tie up the enemy melee while harassing their spellcasters with ranged attacks. You can stealth up, backstab a dude, and lure his friends into a trap-filled ambush. You can drop entangling webs to block off an enemy group's attack vector while engaging another party. Your creativity is the primary limiting factor in how battles play out.

As for Mass Effect, I'm not saying that there's more tactical thinking in Call of Duty single-player…no wait, that's exactly what I'm saying.



BG2 vs. Final Fantasy X

Let's start with the fact that BG2's ensemble of characters doesn't consist of King *** and the cast of Dawson's Creek. Nobody wants to listen to your problems, Tidus, because they are boring and you are stupid. And we definitely don't want to listen to that godawful fake laugh for fifteen minutes or however long that cutscene goes. Also, Rikku is like sixteen so stop trying to sell her as a sex symbol, ya pervs. BG2 challenges you to help a friend through the emotional fallout of having her husband murdered, explain racism and tolerance to a renegade dark elf, and choose between upholding the duly written law of the land or assisting a good-hearted man caught in the gears of the system. One of these things is obviously better than the other.

But seriously, now. One game has you play the half-divine child of the God of Murder who is trying to prevent a power-hungry mage from ripping the divine essence out of mortals and corrupting it for his own ends. The other dresses up teenage daddy issues in asymmetrical clothing. One doesn't screw around with deadly enemies – powerful mages are quite happy to drop a meteor swarm on your whole group, disintegrate your best friend, and gate in a balor during the time stop they cast on the first round of combat. The other has a final boss that you literally cannot die to.

Also: Wakka.

Any other RPGs you want to front about being better than Baldur's Gate II? Because I'll demolish those weak arguments just as thoroughly.

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Comments
  • I'd like to see you try to prove that Baldur's Gate II is better than Diablo 2. It can't be done.
  • Baldur's Gate II vs Final Fantasy XIII!That would be a hard one to try to justify against!
  • Sounds like a cool game. I'll look into it!

  • Ooh, Ooh! Do FFXIII next!
  • God I love me some Baldur's Gate 2.
    It's even better than the first, which was still an awesome offering. It's why people complain about Bioware's recent games compared to Baldur's Gate/Baldur's Gate 2. It's not that the new games are bad, it's just that the old ones were THAT good.

    Also, monks were lovably overpowered. ker-FIST!
  • Man, you're really making me want to play it now, uggghhhh... But it's a better RPG than the Mass Effect series? Well, I guess Mass Effect 2 isn't even truly an RPG, more like a third-person shooter with RPG-lite gameplay...albiet a VERY EPIC one.
  • Matter of opinion really. Every game has it's pros, every game has it's cons. Simple as that. I'm sure that every game you mentioned has a quality about it that is better than something Baldur's Gate 2 does.

  • I like simple RPGs... In Morrowind I only do melee. I never boost stats and the only potions I use are health potions. If I try to use magic in combat... Well... Let's just say I get overwhelmed easily.

  • Interesting... would Baldur's Gate run on a newer PC?
  • Neverwinter Nights. Explain to me how BGII is better. Go!
  • Maybe it's just me, but I think Adam's being sarcastic. Guys, relaxie dax. Okay?

  • I agree probably the best RPG ever although my favorite is Chrono Trigger

  • I agree, Not event Neverwinter was a good as BG2. Though i really like Dragon Age, it remind me a lot of GG2 I didn't like Oblivion i had it in normal difficulty and i was only able to kill rats no matter what lvl i was .... i change it to easy and i was invisible, killed guards by the thousands lol! Chrono Trigger is my fav RPG ever, though its hard to make a comparison with GB2 or any modern RPG.
  • I would play this game but I'm terrible at setting up games on a computer. Also I have Vista so I think I'm screwed.
  • Strangely, I have never played Baldur's Gate 1 or 2, though I have played and enjoyed most of Biowares's other franchises. How much would it cost, or would I be better off getting bg1 and 2 off of gog?

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    Easy peasy. Diablo 2: BG2 has story that's not "ah crap bad guys! you should click on this thing!" Also, you need more than a single overpowered skill to beat the game. NWN: a) BG2 doesn't make you want to stab your own face off every time you have to wrestle with the godawful UI. b) BG2 has characters that are more than 0% interesting. Also, as for running it on modern PCs, it's not that tough. The easiest route is to pick it up off of GOG.com; I've had no issues with it. BG2 also has an easy-to-use config utility that you can mess around with to get it working (I had to turn off some weird framerate-limiting options and stuff, but it's now running perfectly on Win7-32).
  • This hilarious and informative at the same time.  Nice post.  Enjoyed, very much so.  

  • What about Fallout 3? Or POKEMON?!?!

  • My favorite RPGs are from the Final Fantasy series, but I'd imagine you'd use the same arguments shown for FFX when comparing most of those games.

    I tried getting into BGII once but I'm not a PC gamer and I just couldn't get into it. I'll try again this year but the mechanics seemed needlessly complicated and the visuals have become outdated and boring to look at. I beat Chrono Trigger for the first time in 2010 and that game is still more visually interesting than staring at the cold and sterile look of BGII.

    I did enjoy the dialogue from what little I played of it with Minsc & Boo of course being a highlight, but I had a boring, LotR reject vibe for most of the other characters. The music was also a letdown I think, after being spoiled by so many amazing RPG soundtracks by Nobuo Uematsu. I included the words "I think" because I honestly don't remember the soundtrack. So whether it was terrible or passable, we can all agree it was definitely forgettable.

    The controls are just so cumbersome in that game that it makes every fight a chore. I'm sure there are some epic fights to be had later on with all the combat options available, but when it takes 20 minutes just to kill one sewer rat for a meaningless fetch quest at the beginning of the game I lose interest.

    BG2 is supposed to be more comparable to Mass Effect or Oblivion when talking about the core gameplay experience, but I see more of a connection to the action RPG Demon's Souls. Both are difficult to get into and take some serious thinking to survive in the fights, but one of them is boring to look at and control and the other is not. One of them thinks a roll of the virtual dice leads to exciting gameplay and the other demands reflex and good timing. One of them is a better dialogue game and the other is a better RPG.

    p.s. I've had very limited experience with BGII but someone needed to try to stop Adam's "bestest game ever" rampage lol. On my list of all time favorite RPGs Demon's Souls would actually be pretty far down, but I just wanted to show how much I did not enjoy my time with BG2.

    p.p.s. I'd also like to see you argue BGII against FF6 if you can.
  • I've got three candidates: Gothic 2 + NotR, Ultima Underworld II and Ultima V. They're all more solid CRPGs than the foils you chose. That said, in the end I do think you're right: BGII is overall the high point of western CRPGs.
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