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It's not often that we revisit a recently released game on the GI Show, but with the furor over the ending to Mass Effect 3 raging throughout the Internet, we thought we should weigh in on fans' complaints about the game's ending, the recently filed FTC complaint, and BioWare's statement that it will be addressing player concerns with new content. Sitting in on this segment with host Matt Helgeson is Phil Kollar and Joe Juba, who have some strong opinions about these recent events. In the second segment, Dan Ryckert, Tim Turi, and Jeff Cork stop by to talk about a trio of new releases: Kid Icarus: Uprising, Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City, and Ninja Gaiden 3.
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ME3 was a 10 to me until the ending. I hated the ending, but instead of wanting a new ending, I just want explanations. I fear bioware will use this as an excuse to charge people for a "new ending
all the characters hold hands and....Care Bear Stare at the Reapers!!! i am still laughing at that...probably one of the best comments that I've EVER heard on the GI Show (and I've listened to every one)... you guys just ROCK. thank you, that was awesome!
I hated the ending, it left me feeling depressed, sad, unfulfilled, confused, bewildered, even angry. What more can you ask for?! An ending to a massive story that brings out so much emotion as that?! Look at movies like "The Fog" who actually LIKED that ending? This end wasnt about liking or disliking it, it wasnt about closure, it wasnt about fixing or saving everyone! Look at how many people died throughout this series? Or could have died? Wrex, Tali, Mordin (While singing scientist salarian if you were lucky), This game has been about death, loss, and sadness from the beginning. Most of your closest friends have died, you had to even choose some of their deaths, (KAiden/ashley). You want a carebears ending? go play the carebears game, Mass Effect is a game for adults. I will however lend credence to those who says certain things dont make seance, such as the mass relays, True: arrival DLC did mention that hurling an asteroid into a mass relay causing a violent explosion releases so much energy that the entire solar system would be wiped clean, HOWEVER! The cruicible did not do that, the crucible released the energy the way it was meant to be released, likely causing little or no damage to the solar system at all. Also certain other aspects to the ending (such as joker and the normandy) still make no seance and thats sad, it also leave allot of room for more content, either in DLC or in another game. I am truly sorry to all those people who felt unfulfilled because this game didn't hold your hand through every detail, but thats not what they are there for, thats what imagination is for!
In closing, stop whining about the damn ending, if you hate it so damn much let them know with your wallet and dont buy the dlc or play there games! And sell back mass effect 1,2&3, also dont forget your copies of KNOTR 1&2 dragon age 1&2, aw hell why dont you just show how angry you are by making a new gamer tag with none of the bioware achievements or dlc so that way you can claim you NEVER followed bioware at all! So thatway you can boycott them for good!
I do agree with you on one point though, the rest of the game before the ending is pretty good. The character interaction changes were different to get used to at 1st, but undoubtedly rewarding. As in past Mass Effect games the NPC relationships you are able to form are the largest draw of the game and if I do play it again, I will only play for those segments. Fortunately I made precision saves throughout the narrative specifically for that purpose.
I completly disagree, I usually agree with the staff but .... listen up, bioware you made a bad ending ... and we are not " Fan's" , they are trivalizing it to like we are pissed cause our favorite sports team lost ... We are their customers ! What was promised was not delivered ... Im not saying that the FTC guy was right thats overboard and just childish ... but it makes me think twice about buying their next game ... First Dragon Age 2 and now this ... and honestly I didn't even like Dragon Age: orgins to me there was nothing special about it just a generic fantasy game. Mass Effect 2 on the otherhand is in my top 10 favorite games of all time. The sad part about it is the rest of Mass effect 3 was great. I don't care about a happy ending I want one that makes sense and shows all the trials and tribulations that the game characters underwent. I want a choice were shepard says * MAJOR SPOILERS * F U to that little god child and that we made it this far and we are gonna fight and kill the reapers on our own, I want Wrex Shottgunning down husks with garrus yelling you arent gonna take my planet or my children ! I want to see tali leading a squad of geth. Through out the series the main theme was defy the odds, diversity leads to great things. The reason why the galaxy had a chance was because of each species diverse skill set. What makes them special now that * MAJOR SPOILERS* they are all pretty much universly the same ? You know what it would of been better if they just ended it with shepard and Anderson looking at the battle while they both died.... END OF SPOILERS
To everyone saying the ending makes "perfect sense," I want to point out one thing. In the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2, it is said that the destruction of a mass relay would destroy it's entire system, causing every living thing in the system to die. The ending in ME3 does not make sense because Shepard just killed everything in the universe. All those people fighting at Earth should be dead, based on Bioware's own universe. It's like they completely forgot what they wrote about a year before.
I'm not entitled to a better ending. I'd like one, but Bioware/EA can do what they wish. I respect that. But this idea that the ending makes sense doesn't apply, unless Bioware expects us to overlook this huge detail.
I loved Mass Effect 3. It's only the ending I didn't like. The by the time you get to the (spoiler) talking to Shepard where the reapers are explained, it doesn't make sense. Then when you get the ending, it's the say. It's A. You fail, B. You succeed with color "x" where x is your choice's color. The end video with the Normandy doesn't make sense. I have gone on youtube and watched 2 suppose to be different endings side by side at the same time and it was the exact same ending. NOTHING changed. (Next sentence spoiler)
Basically the hologram says we didn't want to be destroyed by synthetics so we made synthetics to destroy all of civilization every 50K years... logic doesn't make sense.
No disrespect, but I feel like GI is just catering to BioWare on this one. Is there some rule that says if an artistic work is subject to change, it's no longer art? How is it not my right, as the consumer, to be dissatisfied with the product I purchased, and "demand" it be changed? I have no interest in whether or not I am tarnishing the integrity of gaming as an art-form, I just want to get what I paid for. If BioWare released the game with a warning that said, "Hey, lookout guys, the ending is terrible," it would be a different story. When an automobile has a major flaw it is recalled, why should this be different for video games? Especially when the issue can easily be rectified. It's also important to remember just how many people were unsatisfied with the ending. If that many people have an issue with the game, why shouldn't it fall on the developer's shoulders?
The ending of Mass Effect is a piece of art, the hole series is. We as gamers have no right to tell them that they made their art wrong. It may be flawed, but no matter how flawed it is, it is still an amazing piece of art.
No matter what they do they botched this ending. Now I have to pay more for their ephuck up? Wow ... that's awesome!
No matter what they do they botched this ending. Now I have to pay more because they suck?
Couple of comments.
First, with a game, we do not know what we are getting before we buy. You said something like, if it SEEMS like it won't be that don't buy it. Well, we had no way to know other than what we learned in the previous installments and what they advertised it as. All of that pointed towards us getting to choose from many (16 I believe they said) endings based on our choices. That wasn't what we got at all.
With other games I would agree that they should keep the artistic choice in tact but ME is a different animal. If people were asking for Ubisoft to change AC ending (to come) or Rockstar to change RDR end I would agree but ME is different.
I guess just one point as of now (15mis in) as it ties into the first point. Which is, the whole point of ME was choice and creating our own story. Which is what they advertised and what we based spending our money on. They pretty much threw that out the window along with most of the story so far in the last minutes of the game.
Choice choice choice (or rather, lack thereof)
Ok second point (21mins in).
I think every single person (or damn near) that's part of the retake movemnet would agree that the majority of ME3 was excellent and possibly one of the best games if not stories (also depending on choices made) of all time. Problem is, the last thing you see and the thing most fresh in your memory is the end.
I'm surprised that Ninja Gaiden 3 and RE:ORC didn't lived the expectations. Meanwhile, I will be interested to see what BioWare do to the " disappointing " ending of the third chapter.
I personal felt the ending was just fine, But i felt the game itself was needing of more detail. it felt way too short and the abscess of mini games like hacking and stuff is way too short. i didn't like the way all the effort i put in was reduced to math.
let me say this to get this off my chest: if you liked the ending, you probably had low as crap expectations about it and that's fine. but the franchise deserves better than that hunk of shyte. the rest of the game hit it out of the park so we expected it to keep the same level of "QUALITY" all the way to the end.